http://www.tallarmeniantale.com/TURKISH-SCHOLARS.htm
Who are These Turks?
I have recently read many e-mails and letters that condemn the Turks who meet with the Armenians. Other Turks condemn them for in some way betraying their country. This is not right. No scholar should ever be attacked because he says what is unpopular. Freedom is the basis of all good scholarship, and that includes the freedom to be wrong. Attacking those who disagree with you is the way of the Armenian nationalists who bomb professor's houses, kill diplomats, threaten scholars, and take advantage of unjust French laws to sue professors who dare to speak out.
I hope this is never the way of the Turks. I go into bookstores in Istanbul and Ankara and see books in Turkish, written by Turkish citizens. These books state that the Turks did commit genocide. I read Turkish newspapers that include interviews with men whose words sound as if they were been written by Armenian nationalists. Sometimes I laugh at their arguments.
Sometimes they anger me. But I know that it is a good thing that they are able to speak. It shows that Turkey is mature enough, confident enough, to accept disagreement.
For the rest of this outstanding exercise in logic and honesty, click here.
Benedict ArnoldAn American hero, at least, beforeturning traitor ...an honor theTurkish
A Turkish Scholar Sponsored by the Armenians
OPINION March 19 , 2001From Terrorism to Armenian Propagandist:
Currently, he is a "visiting scholar" at the Armenian Research Center (ARC) at the University of Michigan-Dearborn. The ARC serves as one of main mouthpieces of anti-Turkey Armenian propaganda in the U.S. Its Director, Dennis Papazian, is a well-known professional falsifier of history who has consistently denied that Armenians were involved in the deaths of thousands of Turks in Eastern Anatolia during World War I.
Taner Akcam
During the past decade, Akcam has published several books in Turkey on the Armenian issue, including Turk Ulusal Kimligi ve Ermeni Sorunu (Turkish National Identity and the Armenian Question). Akcam's publications show no evidence that he knows Ottoman Turkish or that he has ever worked in the Ottoman archives. In his writings, Akcam parrots the familiar arguments that have become the staple of the Armenian propaganda machine. He wholeheartedly endorses the Armenian claim that the Armenians were the victims of a horrible "genocide" that was planned and carried out by the Ottoman government during World War I.
While dismissing the actions of the Armenian terrorist organizations against the Empire's Turkish and Muslim populations, he puts the blame for the tragic events that took place more than 80 years ago solely on the Young Turk leadership. Moreover, in line with the standard Armenian arguments, Akcam asks that Turkey formally apologize for its "crimes" to cleanse its national and collective conscience from this "horrible" burden. In his only publication to appear in English so far — an essay that was translated from German by none other than the well-known protagonist of the Armenian version of history, Vahakn Dadrian — Akcam goes so far as to argue that there was a close connection between the Armenian "genocide" and the national resistance movement in Anatolia led by Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, and that the foundations of the new Turkish Republic reflected the involvement of its leadership in a genocidal policy. At the conclusion of his essay, Akcam wonders how traumatic it would be for Turks to discover that the individuals they regarded as "great saviors" and "people who created a nation from nothing" were in fact "murderers and thieves".To understand how a person who claims Turkish citizenship can express such outrageous views, it is important to know something about his background. Taner Akcam was born in Kars — a province where there is a sizeable number of Turkified Armenian families — and he is the son of the leftist writer Dursun Akcam. Taner Akcam became involved in radical leftist activities while he was still a lycee student. His radicalism intensified while he studied at the Middle East Technical University in the early 1970s. Akcam moved from student activism into political terrorism by joining the THKP-C (Turkiye Halk Kurtulus Partisi-Cephesi-Turkish People's Liberation Party-Front) in 1972 — a terrorist organization that was implicated in the assassinations and killings of numerous far-right militants, Turkish security officials, and American and NATO military personnel. In the mid-1970s, Akcam became a leading member of DEV-YOL (Devrimci Yol-Revolutionary Path) and the editor of its periodical Devrimci Genclik Dergisi (Revolutionary Youth Magazine). It might be recalled that DEV-YOL was one ofthe two principal leftist terrorist organizations (the other being DEV-SOL) that played a major role in the bloody escalation ofpolitical violence in Turkey during the 1970s. In the bizarre ideological divisions among the leftist groups that proliferated on the Turkish political scene at the time, DEV-YOL was knownas following a "pro-Soviet" line in terms of its international loyalties. DEV-YOL's bloody terrorist activities, which claimed hundreds offatalities and a large number of serious injuries, included assassinations, armed attacks, bombings, and bankrobberies. The group also achieved notoriety when it set up a so-called "liberated zone" in the town of Fatsaon the Black Sea coast where DEV-YOL militants established their control for several months before being routed by the security forces.During this period of heightened terrorism, Akcam was an active participant in the planning of assassinations and armed attacks against the targets chosen by DEV-YOL. He was in the innerleadership circle of the terrorist organization and worked as the right-hand man of its leader Oguzhan Muftuoglu. In addition, as theeditor of DEV-YOL's magazine, he wrote numerous articles exhorting DEV-YOL militants to engage in violence to bring down "the oligarchy", to punish "the fascists", and to get rid of "American imperialism." By the mid-1970s, as political violence between the far-left and ultra-nationalist groups escalated, Akcam hadbecome one of the leading "theoreticians" of leftist terrorism and violence in Turkey.Taner Akcam was arrested in 1976. After a trial that lasted several months he was sentenced to eight years and nine months for his role in fomenting terrorism and political violence. However, Akcam did not stay in jail for long: in a spectacular incident that made the headlines in the Turkish press, he escaped from a prison in Ankara along with four other convicted terrorists in March 1977. After hiding in Turkey for several months, he managed to find his way to Germany where he asked — and received — political asylum. In Germany, Akcam continued his involvement in radical leftist activism and became the leader of a group known as Gocmen Harekat (Migrant's Movement) that sought to reorganize theother leftist terrorists who had escaped from Turkey. In the aftermath of the 1980 military coup in Turkey, Akcam became a leading figure in mobilizing demonstrations and protests against Turkey in Germany.
He also wrote articles in various leftist publications in which he criticized DEV-YOL's leader Muftuoglu for his "pacifism" and called for the renewal of the "armed struggle" in Turkey. He also maintained his fanatical criticisms and attacks against of the West in general, and the United States in particular. In an interview in1989, he declared: "I consider saying 'yes' to NATO and the European Union the biggest shame for a revolutionary. I am against the West since I consider it an imperialist power...and because I view the technology, culture, and politics of the Westdangerous for all mankind."Akcam returned to Turkey in 1993 for the first time since his prison escape. Since his 1977 conviction and sentence had expired, he could not be put back into prison. In a press conference that he held upon his arrival to Istanbul, he stated that "DEV-YOL's struggle" was going to continue. However, by the early 1990s, DEV-YOL had become a relic of the past and a new generation of terroristshad appeared on the scene that did not much care for older militants such as Akcam. Taner Akcam then worked for a period as an "advisor" to another former leftists radical, Gurbuz Cap¹n, who had become the mayor of Esenyurt municipality in Istanbul.In the 1990s, Akcam decided to reinvent himself as a "scholar" by writing books and articles on the Armenian question. Following graduate work in the university, he became affiliated with a research center in Hamburg. His uncritical acceptance of the Armenian version of the events that took place in Eastern Anatolia during World War I quickly gained him the sympathy and support ofthe anti-Turkey groups — Armenians, Kurds, and Greeks — first in Europe, and later in the U.S. At last, after spending yearsin terrorist organizations, hiding from the police, and living in exile as a refugee, Akcam had found his true calling in life. By gaining the dubious distinction of being the first "Turkish scholar" to agree wholeheartedly with all the Armenian allegations and claims against Turkey, Akcam finally managed to make a name for himself outside of terrorism and also earn a livelihood through the financial support provided by Armenian diaspora organizations. Akcam's critical views about Turkey and the actions of the Turkish state is typical of a generation of leftist intellectuals and political activists who emerged on the Turkish political scene beginning in the late 1960s. For them, the Turkish state is capable of doing nothing good and worthy and everything that smells foul and nasty. As their hopes for a leftist revolution in Turkey faded away with thedisintegration of the Soviet Union and the communist regimes around Turkey, they have searched for new venues to vent their anger and opposition to the Turkish state. Some former radical leftists have taken up political Islam as their new cause. Others have become supporters of radical Kurdish nationalism and the PKK. And in the case of Akcam, his lifelong opposition to Turkish state has manifested itself through his unabashed support for the Armenian falsifiers of history. It is lamentable that a person who has been a fanatical critic of the U.S. throughout his adult life and who has worked in terrorist organizations that were directly responsible for the deaths of American citizens is now warmly embraced by Armenians living in this country. Perhaps this should not come as a surprise since theArmenian activists have shown, over and over again, that they are willing to provide moral and material support to those who engage in terrorist acts directed at Turkey and Turkish officials. As a former terrorist leader with a long record of involvement in activities against the Turkish state, Akcam should feel at home among his new Armenian patrons.
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Akcam's past (via another source):
December 4, 1974Arrested for unrest at the College of LHG, METUJuly 28, 1975Arrested for obstructing the scheduled exams at the METU, AnkaraNovember 4, 1975Participated in an act of violence in Malatya, wich resulted in an injury to a taxi cab driver.November 20, 1975Became the executive editor of the periodical "DEV-GENC" (DEV-GENC later on had fractured into DEV-SOL and DEV-YOL. DEV-YOL believed in accomplishing the revolution by peace and education while DEV-SOL believed in terrorism. It's interesting to note that Akcam became part of DEV-SOL.)March 9, 1976Imprisoned for 8 years..March 12, 1977Escapes from prison into Germany
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Holdwater: Mr. Akcam is predictably plastered all over Armenian and Armenian-friendly web sites. Here is an excerpt that reveals his way of thinking (from "Discussing Genocide: Contextualizing the Armenian Experience in the Ottoman Empire," by Ronald Grigor Suny and Fatma Muge Göçek, from a genocide conference held at the University of Michigan [a follow-up in the series from the article below, and one that I refer to in the "End-of-2005 ADDENDUM," also below; by the way, this institution is the one with the Michigan-Dearborn branch that Dennis Papazian operates out of]... with familiar faces like Dadrian and Hovannisian, along with plenty of Turkish Turncoats in attendance; Turks in and out of the
One of the most outspoken and courageous Turkish historians of the events of 1915, Taner Akçam, showed how Ottoman archival documents directly contradict the official Turkish state narrative. He argued that the Young Turks implemented a general resettlement plan for ethnic and religious minorities in Anatolia between 1913 and 1918 and that a decision to cleanse Anatolia of non-Muslim elements was made at the beginning of 1914. These plans applied, not only to Armenians, but also to Arabs, Kurds, Albanians, Bosnians and others, and were directed at the Turkification of Anatolia, which after the Balkan Wars was conceived as the heartland of the Turks. Armenians, however, were thought of and treated differently from other minorities. There were no qualms about killing Armenians, and Akçam stated that the documents suggest "a genocidal intention on the part of the ruling party."
"Suggest"?
Ahhhh, so it wasn't just the Armenians. The other ethnic groups of the empire were all in line to get kicked out, with the resettlement program beginning in 1913, before World War I got underway. It is curious that this program never got implemented in any way, but that's another story. By God, thanks, Taner Akcam... for "proving" the popular "Pan-Turanism" theory of why the Armenians got exterminated. See, it wasn't just the Armenians... it was ALL the ethnic groups. It's just that the Armenians, the favorites of the Ottoman Empire for centuries, "were thought of and treated differently from other minorities." Of COURSE! It all makes perfect sense now...
It is curious that even the Armenian God, Henry "Holier-than-Thou" Morgenthau expressed no sign of this idea of runaway Turkish nationalism (which prompted their attempt to "exterminate" the Armenians... and as Mr. Akcam now informs us, was eventually going to affect all the other ethnic groups) in either his 'Diary' or 'Letters,' although the idea runs rampant throughout the ambassador's phony book.
So Anatolia was thought of as the heartland of the Turks. I would go along with that one, and I believe Anatolia was considered as the heartland of the Turks well before the Balkan Wars. But wait a minute, wait a minute. Akcam's pal, Halil Berktay, says (below) Anatolia was "unknown by the Turks" in 1915. Boys! Get your notes straight, already..!
RELATED:
An eye-opening analysis of Taner Akcam's questionable scholarly skills along with his lack of ethics
A Handy List of "Turkish Turncoats"
The following are Turks or have Turkish-sounding names...but they are usually biased and almost always anti-Turkish; many are of a close knit circle who know each other and who may have even worked together at some time in their past:
Halil Berktay (Turkey),
Donus Gunduz,
Submitted by Bassoy:
Akin Birdal, Writer, Honorary President of the Human Rights Association
End of 2005 ADDENDUM:
The first list was copied from an entry in The Turkish Forum, and the second was submitted by a reader. There are many other additions that I've personally come across since, but there are so many of these Turks crawling out of the woodwork, that updating this list is far from a priority; so do keep in mind that the above is far from comprehensive.
However, as I had written this page early on with a little more animosity than I possess now, I'm realizing that I'm unfamiliar with many of these names. So please remember: innocent until proven guilty. On the advice of one I have faith in, there was a name on this list that I am now removing:
A further elaboration: It's possible, because Turks have a tendency to be gullible and a desire to be fair, that when there are workshops presented by the genocide industry, the Turks can think everything must be on the level and they are attending a scientific conference. For example: "young Turkish scholar"
The genocide industry is frightened to invite anyone with different views, because once they get into genuine history, their genocide scam would run the risk of exposure. At this writing, the genocide industry's tentacles have extended as far as Turkey, and one of these conferences (with Fatma Muge Gocek at the helm) was held in Turkey by excluding the "denialists" as both participants and audience members. (A few of the latter slipped in, regardless.) There was a contra-conference organized soon afterward, and all the participants from the genocide conference were allowed to attend, demonstrating the "denialists" did not have anything to hide. Fikret Adanir [also present in the Suny-Gocek affair] was one of the few who braved the waters, and after a while reportedly couldn't say much in the face of solid, concrete historical facts. Halil Berktay declined to attend.
Therefore: if attendance is closed to anyone with "denialist" views in conferences presented by the genocide club, were Cagaptay and Neyzi that naive? Especially when this particular March workshop had the hands, in organization and participation, of two Armenian Genocide "hotbed" universities, those of Michigan and Minnesota? One look at the other participants was telling enough: aside from Suny (who is not as extreme as many of his fellow Armenian professors) and Gocek, we're talking Vahakn Dadrian. Richard G. Hovannisian. Taner Akcam. Isn't it obvious what kind of a conference this was? And on top of it all, the conference was partly subsidized by the Manoogian Simone Foundation and Dadrian's Zoryan Institute.
If Cagaptay and Neyzi thought what they were attending was academic in nature, instead of the propagandistic farce that it was, am I not kind by giving them the benefit of a doubt? There simply is no end now to these opportunistic Turks, trying to make names for themselves, from the profitable genocide industry. Unfortunately, they are doing so by dragging their nation through the mud.
...The perverse fantasizers that (the Armenians) are, they go on with their delusions, occasionaly encouraged by the likes of Halil Berktay and Taner Akcam. It's incredible that they do not see the total irrationality of this idee fixe of theirs. They pay off Akcam. They pay politicians here and in France to pass useless "resolutions." They then point to the utterings of these bought- politicians as proof that their claims are true. Incredible, simply incredible! Is this not tantamount to the delusion of the odious macho-man who brags about his prowess with women? Then, as proof of this prowess, he offers the testimony of his well-paid hooker.The Armenian fanatics are on a fool's errand. It boggles the mind that a people known for their savvy business acumen could be so out of touch with reality. But that's their problem. They will achieve their obscene and invidious goals, as soon as the first snow of the season hits Hell!
Keenan Pars
Azg/Mirror On-Line 03-22-2000By
Titled "Armenians and the End of the Ottoman Empire," it brought Armenian and Turkish scholars together for the first time to engage in an open discussion of how Armenians contributed, adjusted, and, ultimately, felt victim to the transformation from Ottoman Empire to the modern Turkish republic.
Said Suny, "My trip to Istanbul had excited me about the possibilities of engaging with Turkish scholars." With the assistance of his academic colleagues at the University of Michigan, Kevork B. Bardakjian, Fatma Muge Gocek, Stephanie Platz, and Kenneth Church, a broad invitation was issued toscholars in the Armenian and Turkish communities to come together. "We got a good response, even from Turkish scholars in Turkey, although there were some from the Armenian community who did not feel ready for this type of discussion," said Suny.
The workshops attracted participants from Istanbul, Germany, New York City, California, Minnesota, Boston, and Princeton, N.J.
Suny, in his opening remarks, praised the participants' courage, saying, "This is a small, humble and historic meeting. It is the first time scholars of different nationalities, including Armenia and Turkey, have gathered to present papers and discuss, in a scholarly fashion, the fate of the peoples of the Ottoman Empire as that state declined and disintegrated."
Suny singled out several speakers for comment. Among them was Dr. Gerard J. Libaridian, an historian based in Boston, who served as senior advisor to the former president of Armenia, Lebon Ter-Petrossian. Libaridian participated on a panel titled "The Young Turks and the Armenians." and opened his remarks with the reading of a poem, "The Crossroads" by Eghishe Charents. Using the poem as a touchstone for his talk, he said, "It is important not only what happened, but what we make of what happened. Why do some people like the problem and not the solution? We share a common past that has been hijacked by the nationalists."
Suny also reported on the comments of several Turkish scholars. Salim Deringil from Bosphorus University in Istanbul said, "This was the most difficult paper I've written in my life. Venturing into the Armenian crisis is like wandering into a mine field." Suny praised Deringil for producing "wonderful documents relative to the situation of Armenians and Turks in the Ottoman Empire."
Engin Akarli of Brown University called for "a dialogue with the documents and the need to move away from universally normalized concepts like the nation-state."
Halil Berktay of Sabanci University in Istanbul presented a paper in which he explored "the stereotypes of others presented in Turkish literature during the World War I period."
Borrowing a term from another Turkish scholar, Taner Akcam, Berktay spoke of "a collapse panic" in the Ottoman Empire and said, "Today, there are illusions about Turkish Armenia. It looks as though Anatolia is normal territory for the Turks. But in 1915, Anatolia was unknown by the Turks, a backward place. The Turks had to reoccupy it after World War I."
Suny reserved special mention for Akcam, who is affiliated with Stiftung zu Forderung von Wissenschaft und Kultur in Hamburg. Akcam, a radical student leader who opposed the Turkish military regime and escaped from a prison in Ankara was "the first important Turkish scholar to study the Armenian Genocide and to use the word 'genocide'," said Suny. During his presentation, Akcam used Turkish documents to pinpoint the actual decisionto carry out the deportations early in March 1915, after the defeat of the Turkish army on the Caucasian front.
To his Turkish colleagues, Akcam said, "I am so happy to be here. I don't feel so alone now."
Encouraged by the content and participation in this workshop, Suny said that plans for additional workshops and discussion were in the making. "We should go on and invite others to join us. It is so important that we not think of ourselves as Armenian or Turkish historians, but as scholars who are coming together for a mutual discussion."
The tentative title for the next workshop is "World War I and the Ottoman Empire: Imperial Dissolution in a Transnational Conjuncture."
"Several universities have expressed interest. I have high hopes that this dialogue will continue," said Suny.
Holdwater: "Akcam said, 'I am so happy to be here. I don't feel so alone now.' " Yep, makes sense, Mr. Akcam. Birds of a feather stick together. Unfortunately, the feather in question has less to do with being Turkish and more to do with being Armenians in Turkish clothing.
Seems like all the "Turkish" participants are from the handy-dandy Turkish Turncoat list, above. It's too bad this was not a true forum, where legitimate scholars got together... like the one Levon Marashlian attended: those with differing views. I see none of the REAL Turkish scholars from that particular conference participating in this one. No, all of the ones here had to "have passed a test before they are allowed into the club," as Professor Justin McCarthy put it; I'm sure none of the real scholars were even asked.
Just as long as the end result is that the unwary could see these participants as "Turkish scholars." Exactly like this particular news account puts it: "Turkish Scholars Acknowledge the Genocide."
How disgustingly dishonest.
First Prof. Suny is reported to have been behind "a broad invitation ... issued to scholars in the Armenian and Turkish communities to come together." Suny comments, "...There were some from the Armenian community who did not feel ready for this type of discussion," making it seem like this meeting would have been too impartial for Armenians to feel comfortable, since we know Armenians can't genuinely contest the actual facts. Then Suny is quoted as saying, "The principal focus was on... the massacre and deportations of Armenians by the Ottoman Empire, which constituted the first genocide of the 20th century." So the "genocide" is already accepted as a fact. What a stupid charade. And how disingenuous of Prof. Suny to make it sound like Armenians would be uncomfortable. The whole business sounds tailor-made for the Armenians.
And why not? Professor Suny happens to be, according to his page at the University of Chicago web site, a member of the Armenian Assembly Committee for the Holocaust Museum and The Zoryan Institute, both extremely partisan Armenian "genocide" associations, and the Genocide Project Oversight Committee, which sounds like another Armenian hang-out. He is on the editorial board of the Journal of the Society for Armenian Studies, The Armenian Review, Journal of Armenian Studies, Armenian Forum, a contributing editor for Armenian International Magazine, and part of the Society for Armenian Studies since 1978 (serving as chairman a couple of years). He worked as the "Alex Manoogian Professor" in the University of Modern Armenian History from 1981 to 1994. (Unsurprisingly, Suny also happens to be an ethnic Armenian.)
By the way, that's the Alex Manoogian behind the financing of most of the PBS Armenian programs. The late auto-parts Detroit businessman who saw his company mushroom to annual sales of $3 billion emigrated from Turkey in 1920, and later was joined by his parents, his brothers Charles and George, and sisters Margaret and Aghavni. Sounds like the whole family joined, and... hey. Weren't the Armenians supposed to have been "annihilated" in the Ottoman Empire?
Get a load of this paragraph, on Halil Berktay:
Borrowing a term from another Turkish scholar, Taner Akcam, Berktay spoke of "a collapse panic" in the Ottoman Empire and said, "Today, there are illusions about Turkish Armenia. It looks as though Anatolia is normal territory for the Turks. But in 1915, Anatolia was unknown by the Turks, a backward place. The Turks had to reoccupy it after World War I."
"Turkish Armenia"? Is Halil Berktay so much in bed with the Armenians that he even agrees with them to the extent of surrendering his own national soil to the Armenians? Wow.
"Anatolia was unknown to the Turks" in 1915. Anatolia is the heartland of Turkey, and was the heartland during the Ottoman Empire..! If Turks weren't living in Anatolia, where were they living?
Is Halil Berktay out of his mind?
I'd like to say I consider myself a progressive-type person, although I don't like simplistic labels like "liberal" and "conservative." I'm aware there are wackos on both ends of the spectrum... there are right wing nuts, and there are left wing nuts. It appears Taner Akcam and Halil Berktay comfortably fit in the latter group.
In an insightful report from The Wall Street Journal Europe, "Turkey's Triumph," the author gives reasons why the left isn't too crazy about Turkey. (Of course, hating Turkey is not the domain of strictly the left; the religious right in America won't easily be caught praising "Moslem" Turkey, and there is no shortage of "ethnic politics"- playing Republicans who like to kick Turkey around. Two examples on this site are provided by Gov. George Pataki, and Rep. James Rogan.) The Wall Street Journal author states that even though Turkey champions what would normally be considered "liberal" principles, the left "hates" Turkey because "Turkey flouts the rules."
Turkey flouts the kind of politically correct principles the left would like to establish as the norms of international behavior: Force is never the solution; terrorists and dictators are always to be negotiated with; groups (not individuals) are bearers of rights; and cultural expression is always a good thing.
Perhaps there is truth there; it explains one reason why PKK leader Ocalan has been blindly cradled by those who unthinkingly accepted the terrorist as a representative of the Kurds. The Kurds are normally seen as oppressed, and human rights groups are traditionally composed from the ranks of "liberal" people. In their hopes for doing good, these people can have a tendency to reduce issues to black and white... which is something "uncompassionate" conservatives are especially good at. (And Turcophobes have a special talent of reducing Turkey to bad guy status, when they break issues down to black and white.)
It makes sense, then, to understand why Turncoat Turks like Taner Akcam and Halil Berktay (and a lot of the others from a similar generation and mindset) can work so fervently for anti-Turkish causes. They're from that old ultra-left wing school... and everything Turkey does is something slightly less than pure evil.
However, because they seem to hate Turkey, does it give them the right to unscrupulously bend the facts and figures?.
HALIL BERKTAY: WANTED!
Halil Berktay was such a leftist extremist, he was apparently regarded as a Marxist-Leninist "terrorist" back in those politically volatile 1970s days of Turkey. He appeared in a "WANTED" poster. These posters were not as we have them in the USA, like the FBI's "Ten Most Wanted" sometimes encountered in post offices... the Turkish government evidently distributed them to police stations and newspapers (not the general public) for reasons of crime prevention and/or tips leading to their apprehension. The Turkish headline translates as: "Leaders and militants of the secret organization called The Party Of Revolutionary Laborers and Peasants of Turkey."
Mr. Berktay's "mug shot" is second from left, top row; bottom row's second from left features Mehmet Umit Necef, another "left-wing nut" from the 1970s who was involved in the infamous "trunk murder" (Sandik Cimayeti) where a buddy (or two?) was found by the Istanbul police, chopped up in a trunk. After a long disappearance, he resurfaced in Denmark, after having reinvented himself as a sociologist, like bird-of-a-feather, Taner Akcam. He may currently be working at Syddansk Universitet, and was defended by the director of the Danish Center for Holocaust and Genocide Studies, Professor Uffe Ostergaard, after Turkish authorities may have attempted to extradite him. "Turkish authorities have tried to intimidate him to stop his involvement in the debate on the Armenian genocide," the professor is reported as having said (in the Danish weekly "Weekendavisen," THE "SO-CALLED" GENOCIDE, Klaus Wivel, Nov. 2001), further adding: "(The Turks) have filed so many objections that I've had to say that we have an obligation, in the name of freedom of research, also to explore the Armenian genocide, though we actually don't have any expertise on this in Denmark." At least the good professor was honest enough to admit his ignorance on the topic. (The hypocritical Danish center has "Professional Ethics"-Man Eric Markusen on its payroll.)
Mr. Wivel's mostly biased article tells us Necef wrote an article for Weekendavisen, about the Armenian "genocide," responded to by the Turkish Embassy's Cemal Erbay, ending with accusations directed toward Necef: "And as we get to you, Mr. Necef, we encounter a person who has achieved residency in Denmark by dragging Turkey through the mud. How, then, can you claim to step into the role of honest broker? First you ought to take a look at your own checkered past and vindicate yourself. Relieve your conscience. Only then can you lecture about Turkey's past."
Thank goodness for the Armenian "Genocide"... how else would these antiquated ex-communists like Akcam, Berktay and Necef have validated the recent chapter of their lives? What a great "excuse" for these motherland-despising turncoats to keep "dragging Turkey through the mud."
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The Turkish Left
"The Weak Reed- East European Intellectuals at the Turn of the Century" was a study of the intelligentsia in crisis. Two of the panelists, Gyory Csepli of the Institute on Ethnic and Minority Studies, Budapest, and Halil Berktay, of the University of Bosphorus, Istanbul, used the event as an opportunity to pour out all of the disappointments and frustrations with trying to change society. At the age of fifty or so, both of these sad gentlemen announced their retirement from politics.(The Gyory Csepli part has been edited out.)
Halil Berktay
Berktay spoke for twice his allocated length of time, and probably would have spoken even further if the chairperson hadn't kept making a T with her fingers, as in your time is up. He gave a litany about the mess that the Turkish left created in the 1960s. Sectarianism and dogmatism dominated the scene. Boy, aren't we lucky that this was only a problem in Turkey. In the universities, different departments were the rival turfs of pro-Soviet parties or Maoist parties, etc. Everybody had the goal of destroying everybody else. Sometimes this literally meant murdering your opponent.I n the mid 1980s, there was the possibility of forming a unified socialist party, but each faction refused to subordinate its own narrow interests to the good of the broader movement. The movement then imploded. Today the Turkish left consists mostly of people who want to turn the clock back to the 1960s dogmatism in the hopes that this time they can get it straight. This thinking is embodied in Jim Hillier's crossposts from the Turkish Maoist movement. It is also reflected in the Trotskyite manifestos which we still get from time to time on the Spoons lists. Nothing changes for these comrades.Berktay is upset because he has just turned 50 and his life on the left has produced little of lasting value. He has spent time in prison for his beliefs. He also has had to struggle for academic positions. He is through with politics, however. He wants to spend the last 20 years or so of his life sitting by the side of the rose tending to his garden.In the discussion period, I told him that there was a new Turkish left as embodied in the Workers Educations Centers and the interest that comrades like Zeynep (I didn't mention her by name) have in a non-sectarian and non-dogmatic Marxism. He belittled the Workers Educations Centers. They are only 1% of the Turkish left and are stuck in a neo-Althusserian mode of re-reading Capital and other fundamental works. He then continued in this vein for what seemed like an eternity. They didn't understand this and they didn't understand that. His tone of voice was that of a professor correcting an errant student. This is a no-no with me. Since I was hung-over and didn't feel like being lectured to, I got up from my chair and headed toward the door. The chairperson reprimanded me for being rude. Although I didn't plan on justifying my retreat, I simply said that I don't enjoy being lectured to in such a patronizing fashion. I also said that Berktay sure still seems to have plenty of things to tell the Turkish left even though he has announced his retirement from politics. I only hoped that he would learn to adopt a less authoritarian style if he changes his mind and decides to give young activists the benefit of his wisdom. His current style reminds me too much of the style of the 1960s, which he found so self-defeating. With those words I split. Louis Proyect
From http://www.columbia.edu/~lnp3/mydocs/organization/turkish_left.htm
Some Turks Opine on Halil Berktay
Subject: MESSAGES FROM PROF. JUSTIN McCARTHY AND PROF. OZAY
Academia vs Halil Berktay We have read multiple responses to Mr. H. Berktay 's statements. Professor McCarthy and our associate Kufi Seydali 's concerns are well founded with respect to freedom of expression and speech, which may well have been somewhat neglected recently when some academicians expressed concerns about war. Expressing concerns about war or questioning the uncovered aspects of politics are indeed freedoms prevalent in free societies. However, when it comes to academia where formal knowledge dissemination takes place, those who participate in the very process, academicians must invariably base their teaching on truth and available facts. And when an academician speculates or telltales about a past event without substantial evidence, it is not only unethical but he also seriously threatens the respectability of the institution where he teaches.In other words, allowing an academician to speculate may well challenge the opposing, in this case well founded historical facts. Mr. Berktay's attitude certainly is in the responsibility jurisdiction of Sabanci University. Furthermore, substantial evidence disseminated in this Forum has more than proved the political content of the 'Genocide' rumination. Thus Mr.Berktay would be much better off by joining the Fallwell-Pataki Club for furthering his unsatiable agenda of personal gains.
Prof. Arslan Terzioğlu, excerpted from THE ASSASSINATION OF DR. BAHADDIN SAKIR IN BERLIN AND THE ARMENIAN RELOCATION IN LINE WITH NATIONAL AND FOREIGN SOURCES OF INFORMATION
"...There are some indications verifying that such an order exists.”
If one should see Halil Berktay lovingly patting the head of a child in public, I guess there would also be some indications, in certain warped minds, verifying that Halil Berktay could be a pedophile... but to accuse Berktay of pedophilia on the basis of such flimsy "evidence" would be incredibly irresponsible, disgustingly ugly, and even morally and legally criminal. (Such a repulsive charge, by the way, is what some of Mr. Berktay's beloved Armenians and Greeks enjoy accusing Atatürk of.) A moral and responsible individual must be very, very careful of making mindless charges, because mud sticks. Mr. Berktay sure doesn't give the concept of honorable professorship a good name.
Halil Berktay: Dashnak Hero
In an Armenian article entitled "Genocide not the only crime against Armenians, Armenian official says" (Oct. 11, 2005), Member of the Armenian Revolutionary Federation (A.R.F.) and the National Assembly of Armenia, Vahan Hovhannisian, "hailed Turkish historian Halil Berktay's position that 1915 events should be qualified clearly as genocide.""(Berktay's) speech would be rather useful for those Armenian politicians who repeat the Turkish official position that the Armenian Genocide was a result of the Armenian Revolutionary Federation's activities."Hovhannes Katchaznouni, A.R.F. leader and first Prime Minister of Armenia: "The proof is, however — and this is essential — that the struggle begun decades ago against the Turkish government brought about the deportation or extermination of the Armenian people in Turkey and the desolation of Turkish Armenia. This was the terrible fact!"(Hovhannisian also declared: "Turkey has committed another crime against Armenians when in 1919, it unleashed a waragainst the independent Republic of Armenia." Katchaznouni: "The Armenian-Turkish war which broke our back began in the Fall of 1920... there remains an irrefutable fact. That we had not done all that was necessary for us to have done to evade war. We ought to have used peaceful language with the Turks whether we succeeded or not, and we did not do it... We were not afraid of war because we thought we would win.... When the skirmishes had started the Turks proposed that we meet and confer. We did not do so and defied them.")At least Vahan Hovhannisian is a loyal Dashnak; in the proud tradition of his terrorist organization, he has no compunction about lying, even though his first prime minister is on record contradicting everything he is claiming.
Halil Berktay should be equally proud of being associated with this crowd, and for enhancing their painful propaganda.
Related: More details on how the Turkish Ex-Ambassador to the United States set Halil Berktay straight on Berktay's distortion of the facts.
Holdwater's Closing Comment
One point to keep in mind is that we don't know what propels these Turks to add fuel to the fire which roasts their nation from all corners; at least one of them is at least partly sponsored by the Armenians, and many appear to have a politically-inspired anti-Turkish mindset. However, let's not forget career opportunists exist in every field, and coming across as contrary... particularly in such an explosive arena as the Armenian "Genocide"... can work wonders in making a name for oneself. Would we be talking about the likes of Taner Akcam and Halil Berktay if they didn't choose to hang their bed sheets out the window with the little drop of blood, after first going to bed with the Armenians?
I was just about to wind this page up, until I came across the news that in 1999 some Turk living in Germany claimed that he got the signatures of 10,000 other "Turks" recognizing the Armenian "Genocide":
TURKISH INTELLECTUALS SAY
Taner Akcam, a professor and author who resides in Germany, told a Los Angeles rally that his message was not for Armenians but for Turkey. He said, "I am convinced that if Turkey does not address this issue it cannot become a democracy." Akcam was in Los Angeles in conjunction with a new documentary about the Armenian Genocide called, "The Wall of Silence." Meanwhile, Turkey protested the convening of a conference on the Armenian Genocide on April 29 and 30 at the European Parliament building in Brussels. The two day meeting is sponsored by a Belgian-Armenian group and is characterized as the first step in the new century to more effectively defend the reality of the Armenian Genocide.[Sources: AFP 4-25, SNARK 4-24, Milliyet 4-16, LA Times 4-25] The year: 1999
Hmmm. I see our shameless friend Taner Akcamian is at work, continuing his good work for the Armenians. The above is from an Armenian source, and you just know any Turks believing in the Armenian "Genocide" must be classified as "intellectuals." People with respect for genuine history might prefer referring to them by another "I" word... "ignoramuses." (Of course, those Turks who speak for the falsified genocide for other reasons can be called other words, and they don't have to begin with "I.")
The organizer of this effort, which must have fizzled out since it's already a few years old, is a fellow by the name of Ali Ertem, identified as a journalist in Germany. When I searched for more on Mr. Ertem, I came across the editorial below.
Professor Ozan lends his thoughts on Turkish Turncoats... of all stripes, and not simply the "scholarly" kind.
HOW DO YOU DEFINE BETRAYAL?
WHY MEHMET ALI BIRAND IS ACCUSED OF IT, AND WHY I BELIEVE HIS ACCUSERS
Mahmut Esat Ozan
Generally speaking, it is rather hard to define the act of betrayal, and very hard to understand why a person commits it. After all, betrayal is another way of saying treason. And everyone knows that treason is simply aiding and abetting the enemy. To go against the precepts of national sanctity and pronounce hurtful statements should not be considered exercising one’s freedom of speech. How can one tell if the pronouncement of some words are tantamount to a betrayal? As it is in the case of one of the members of the US Supreme Court, who was asked once, how he could define ‘pornography.’ He said : “I cannot define it, but I’ll know it when I see it..”It is unfortunate that we have come to this. But we might as well tackle the sad case of Mehmet Ali Birand now, and make it an example not to be repeated by others in the future. For those who are not aware of the troubles of this well-known journalist, the presentation of a thumbnail sketch of events is in order . As a journalist, Mehmet Ali Birand comes from a decent family. He went to the best schools, became a radio and TV Personality. He writes regularly for the largest publication of Turkey, the Istanbul daily ‘Hurriyet.’ His columns are frequently translated into English and are reprinted in “The Turkish Daily News.” Another newspaper known as ‘Posta Gazetesi ’ has been giving him ample space on its pages for his articles. In fact, it was in this newspaper that Birand wrote on the 14th of January 2001, his now infamous article which created a huge propagandistic polemic, whose reverberations are still continuing to date.
Mehmet Ali Birand
Mehmet Ali Birand was speaking about the perennial alleged Genocide issue. He said in gist and in a paraphrased form, that the Turkish government should relax its attitude vis-à-vis the genocide issue, and accept the fact that this was already considered a ‘fait accompli.' He wrote further and said that the whole world had accepted this holocaust as such, and that it would be difficult to make the nations of the world to change their beliefs on this issue. He urged Turks, therefore, to apologize forthwith from the Armenians. He also hazarded an opinion of his own and suggested that the Turkish authorities produce filmed documentaries of various lengths and distribute them worldwide,. Another one of his recommendations was to erect several monuments commemorating the Turkish as well as the Armenian dead, as casualties of the period of 1914-1923. His further proposals would deal with the writing of sufficient amount of articles and stories in all kinds of publications, to keep these changes alive and viable for the whole world to see and to learn the ‘truth’ from them.In the past we were made aware of the existence of some domestic so-called historians, who wholeheartedly supported the Armenian Genocide. Among them we had heard of the names of Ahmet Insel, Bulent Peker, Salim Deringil, and of course, the most ‘esteemed’ professor of history from the Sabanci University, Halil Berkay.From Germany the names of Ercin Kursat Ahler, Ali Ertem, were often mentioned, and the infamous ‘genocide expert’ Taner Akcam was always at the head of the perfidious gang. Taner Akcam, himself and some others had escaped from where they were incarcerated and fled the country . They were serving time for having committed crimes against their own country. The United States of America is no exception in this regard. Here among us we have also a few of these deviates, living and ruining the good name of Turkey and Turks every time they have a chance. Among these expatriates we see another name Peker, this time a *Murat Peker, perhaps a dear relative of the other Turcophobe *Bulent Peker. He is followed by a *Fatma Muge Gocek, * Engin Akarli, * Koray Caliskan, *Dilek Kurban, * Yunus Tuncel are the most prominent turncoats.
They, of course, have one thing in common among themselves. They are all traitors, and betrayers of anything and everything sacred for Turkey and Turks. Unfortunately, they were all born in the bosom of the Turkish Republic, from different ethnic spectrum, and foreign and alien ideologies. Nevertheless, they all had a mother and a father, and kin and friends. Supposedly, they went to the same type of Turkish schools, and studied under the same system of education which always tried to make its young citizens learn to love their country. A country which succeeds to in achieving this goal ninety-nine out of hundred per cent of the time. But as everyone knows a single rotten apple can easily spoil the whole bushel or crate of fruit in them. In the United States some would argue with you and say that Birand was using his constitutional right to free speech. What they may be forgetting is that America has a tradition of democracy and in the USA the usage of constitutional rights go all the way back to 1776 and earlier. America is surrounded by friendly neighbors, and on top of it is the only existing super power left on the planet, whereas the fledgling Turkish Republic is in its infancy compared to the United States and furthermore it is surrounded by deadly enemies at every corner ready to inflict pain and damage on her. Even though the citizens of today’s modern Turkish Republic are the indisputable masters of a reduced territorial land space which they inherited from the Ottoman Empire and reshaped by the great Kemal Ataturk; they are still vulnerable to all kinds of ruse, deceit and chicanery their detractors keep handy to be used against them. In this day and age to rely on the accolades bestowed on Turkey and Turks by writers of the past is not enough. The fact that the famous French writer Pierre Loti calling once his friends, the Turks: “the noblest of all nobles,” and then reiterating later on in his book, entitled Fantome D’Orient” by saying that :“This high nobility is not artificial or showy, it is the gift of nature,” won’t help anyone. Our enemies, the Armenians and the Greeks, don’t believe in the Turk’s nobility anyhow. They wouldn’t even care for it. They want our land . They want reparations from us. They want to hear the sound of our last breath on earth. They wouldn’t give a wooden nickel for Pierre Loti’s continuation of his words where he says:…” the Turks’ Orient is the land of dreams and legends. The Turk is the eye, the tongue, the light and the truth of that magic land.” For our enemies the truth will only be realized when they could gouge out the Turk’s eyes, cut off his tongue and let his lifeless body rot under the hot summer sun as the Armenians did to our brethren in the Eastern Anatolia and in the Caucasus of 1919 where Turks were in majority in the city of Yerevan. They were all murdered one by one. Armenians also put to knife 40.000 Muslims in one week in the city of Van. The despicable Armenian General “DRO”, Drastamat Kanayan bragged once that there was not a single Muslim Turk remaining in the Caucasus. He should know . He was known as the “butcher” of 2,5 million Turks, Circassians, Tatars and Kurds. The Soviets hated him and expelled him out of Russia in the early Twenties. He lived and died in exile in Massachusetts ten years or so ago. His body was taken to Armenia for reburial there with great fanfare and pomp and circumstance as the greatest hero that country has ever had. Why? Because he had ethnically cleansed Armenia from the ‘dreaded’ Turks whose country once treated him and the likes of him as ‘Milleti Sadika’ meaning in its English translation: “Most trustworthy Citizens.” This ‘butcher of Turks’ name adorns the walls of museums in the Armenia of Robert Kocharian nowadays. What is so sad about Mehmet Ali Birand is that he happens to be a fellow GS graduate of mine. In 1973 at a G./S. Pilav in Beyoglu he was introduced to me by a former classmate who was the Ambassador to Jordan at the time. Then he seemed to be a nice fellow. But now that he has sided up with the Armenians and wants to apologize to them and is thinking of recompensing them with monuments to be built in their honor, I am deeply ashamed. There are accusations now that he was a leftist, and that he harbored sympathy for the Kurdish movement in his heart. I would say this, he could keep whatever he has in his heart, but when he comes out with an unfathomable statement and says that, as Turks, we are the perpetrators of the vilest and the cruelest of all crimes against humanity, genocide, I am not on his side, and I could never be again.
END-2005 ADDENDUM: Holdwater has subsequently come across "genocide" articles by Mehmet Ali Birand, and they sounded fair. We can all be guilty of writing passionately one moment, only to revise our views the next. Prof. Ozan can fall into this "passionate" trap himself, as with the bloated figure of victims, attributed to Dro. (Ozan was not deliberately lying about this; he noted this claim that has been plastered over the Internet, and must have accepted its truth because of an emotional need... after constantly being barraged by Turcophobic slander. I have since written him and told him he was wrong, and he has stopped making this particular claim.) And there are certainly earlier writings of my own on this site that I look at and think, "Man! Did I go overboard."
There are many Turks who believe
there was a genocide of the Armenians.
Turks who have come to America, not having been exposed to this topic at home (the idea was to prevent perpetuation of hatred, and to look ahead in brotherhood), in their gullibility, ignorance and sense of fair play, have easily fallen prey to relentless Armenian propaganda. These are not "Turncoat Turks." (In fact, I rarely use that term anymore, as I had written this page when I was more "emotional." My preferred description is "Opportunistic Turks.")
I'm now aware that the gullible brand of Turk has gone as far as to include academicians from Turkey. Yes, you would think Turkey's educated crowd would at least be aware of the dirty politics behind the genocide matter, but these "intellectuals" can be just as susceptible to swallowing the propaganda as the layman. (A testament to the universality of humanity, since more than enough professorial "intellectuals" from the rest of the world have lazily accepted the claims of Armenian propaganda as well.) That does not mean these Turks do not love their country and wish the honor of their nation to suffer harm. No, these Turks have simply arrived at a point where they believe they have discerned the truth.
The so-called "Turncoat Turks" are those who have studied the issues, and have made a point of solely accepting one side of the story, no differently than the Armenians... becoming purposeful propagandists. They do this for personal gain, in terms of career advancement for the most part (such Turks are the darlings of the biased Western world), or because they have a chip on their shoulder about their country (i.e., they simply don't like Turkey), or because they have a hidden ethnicity that command their true loyalties, or a combination of the above. It is important to make this distinction.
See also:Fatma Muge Gocek: Responsible for the Armenians' GenocideThe Taner Akcam Page
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THE PURPOSE OF TALL ARMENIAN TALE (TAT)...
Is to expose the mythological “Armenian genocide,” from the years 1915-16. A wartime tragedy involving the losses of so many has been turned into a politicized story of “exclusive victimhood,” and because of the prevailing prejudice against Turks, along with Turkish indifference, those in the world, particularly in the West, have been quick to accept these terribly defamatory claims involving the worst crime against humanity. Few stop to investigate below the surface that those regarded as the innocent victims, the Armenians, while seeking to establish an independent state, have been the ones to commit systematic ethnic cleansing against those who did not fit into their racial/religious ideal: Muslims, Jews, and even fellow Armenians who had converted to Islam. Criminals as Dro, Antranik, Keri, Armen Garo and Soghoman Tehlirian (the assassin of Talat Pasha, one of the three Young Turk leaders, along with Enver and Jemal) contributed toward the deaths (via massacres, atrocities, and forced deportation) of countless innocents, numbering over half a million. What determines genocide is not the number of casualties or the cruelty of the persecutions, but the intent to destroy a group, the members of which are guilty of nothing beyond being members of that group. The Armenians suffered their fate of resettlement not for their ethnicity, having co-existed and prospered in the Ottoman Empire for centuries, but because they rebelled against their dying Ottoman nation during WWI (World War I); a rebellion that even their leaders of the period, such as Boghos Nubar and Hovhannes Katchaznouni, have admitted. Yet the hypocritical world rarely bothers to look beneath the surface, not only because of anti-Turkish prejudice, but because of Armenian wealth and intimidation tactics. As a result, these libelous lies, sometimes belonging in the category of “genocide studies,” have become part of the school curricula of many regions. Armenian scholars such as Vahakn Dadrian, Peter Balakian, Richard Hovannisian, Dennis Papazian and Levon Marashlian have been known to dishonestly present only one side of their story, as long as their genocide becomes affirmed. They have enlisted the help of "genocide scholars," such as Roger Smith, Robert Melson, Samantha Power, and Israel Charny… and particularly those of Turkish extraction, such as Taner Akcam and Fatma Muge Gocek, who justify their alliance with those who actively work to harm the interests of their native country, with the claim that such efforts will help make Turkey more" democratic." On the other side of this coin are genuine scholars who consider all the relevant data, as true scholars have a duty to do, such as Justin McCarthy, Bernard Lewis, Heath Lowry, Erich Feigl and Guenter Lewy. The unscrupulous genocide industry, not having the facts on its side, makes a practice of attacking the messenger instead of the message, vilifying these professors as “deniers” and "agents of the Turkish government." The truth means so little to the pro-genocide believers, some even resort to the forgeries of the Naim-Andonian telegrams or sources based on false evidence, as Franz Werfel’s The Forty Days of Musa Dagh. Naturally, there is no end to the hearsay "evidence" of the prejudiced pro-Christian people from the period, including missionaries and Near East Relief representatives, Arnold Toynbee, Lord Bryce, Lloyd George, Woodrow Wilson, Theodore Roosevelt, and so many others. When the rare Westerner opted to look at the issues objectively, such as Admirals Mark Bristol and Colby Chester, they were quick to be branded as “Turcophiles” by the propagandists. The sad thing is, even those who don’t consider themselves as bigots are quick to accept the deceptive claims of Armenian propaganda, because deep down people feel the Turks are natural killers and during times when Turks were victims, they do not rate as equal and deserving human beings. This is the main reason why the myth of this genocide has become the common wisdom.
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Fatma Muge Gocek is another sociologist, like her friend Taner Akcam (whom she sponsored all on her lonesome, so the story goes, to enter the USA as an undistinguished academic immediately to get a job at an Armenian hotbed university where Gocek works, in Michigan; this is the base of Dennis Papazian 's "Armenian Research Center"), and his mentor Vahakn Dadrian. They have all become recognized as "historians," to one extent or another, advocating the one-sided view of Armenian propaganda. Gocek has been overshadowed by Akcam as the first Turk to have openly sided with the powerful Armenians, opening the floodgates to a plethora of opportunist Turks who want a piece of the profitable genocide pie.
Now, by "profitable," we don't necessarily mean these people are financially supported in an open manner by the Armenian genocide industry (as Gocek was falsely charged by some Turks, accepting $7,000 or so for speaking engagements), although some, like Akcam (reportedly, via the Cafesjian Foundation), evidently are. The benefits come by becoming the darlings of the anti-Turkish West, thus opening the doors to previously unavailable opportunities, from university positions to book contracts.
(For example, Gocek's new soul sister, Elif Shafak, has already come a long way in a short three years, getting her start similarly at Gocek's University of Michigan.) In our celebrity-worshipping worldwide society, notoriety goes a long way in establishing personal and professional success. Gocek has been trying harder of late (it is now January 2006) to get her slice of the pie; maybe she felt it unfair that Akcam was getting most of the attention, after her behind-the-scenes efforts in "sponsoring" him. These days, it seems like she is popping up everywhere.Let's try to examine where Prof. Gocek is coming from.
Gocek, as a proud representative of the Armenian Genocide Industry, performed her level best to allow these tentacles to infiltrate her homeland. There has been a much publicized conference originally slated (in May 2005) at Bogazici University in Istanbul, where like all other conferences held by the genocide club, only those who agreed to the genocide were allowed entry. The difference is, the attendees and speakers appear to have been exclusively composed of Turks and those of Turkish sounding names... so large has the pool of genocide-supporting Turks grown. Turkish Minister of Justice Cemil Cicek must have felt as if it wasn't bad enough to have Turkey's image blackened worldwide by these tireless advocates, via a falsified version of history, the fact that they were now trying to have their dirty work mold gullible Turkish minds was the last straw; in the parliament, he justifiably remarked the participants were 'stabbing the nation in the back.' Things got hot, the liberals (including more than a few naive academicians) within the nation got in an uproar (I understand Cicek actually got hit by a lawsuit), and the episode served as an opportunity for high-minded Europeans to once again tsk-tsk the primitive ways of the Turks. The organizers of the conference voluntarily decided to bow out. I don't understand what they were afraid of; they could have hired extra security if they felt the barbarians were poised to attack. Regardless, their decision conveniently made it seem to outside eyes that the Turkish government outlawed the conference. In two shakes of a stick, the conference was rescheduled a few months later, this time at Bilgi University. (A "Horizon Weekly" interview had Gocek explain the interesting involvement of the toadying Turkish government: "When September 2005 came around , [the ruling] AK Party expressed its desire that the postponed conference ought to actualize before the EU accession talks on October 3rd.") It was hailed as the first time the genocide issue was allowed as part of a conference in Turkey (this 1990 affair was naturally forgotten; the actual mold the Istanbul conference broke was that it was the first one completely from the pro-Armenian perspective), and those like Halil Berktay had a field day in presenting Armenian propaganda to those who mainly shared the same views. Gocek reportedly stated in a Nov. 6, 2005 UCLA appearance, similarly overfilled to capacity by cheering pro-Armenians, that 3,000 Turks wished to attend, but there was room for only 120. A few from the other side of the camp did sneak in, such as Fatma S., and polite, brief clashes with the propagandistic views reportedly surfaced.The other side of the camp (i.e, the "Denialists") organized their own conference shortly afterwards, an imperfect one at times straying from the Armenian story. Regardless, in democratic fashion, room for the Berktay-Gocek types was made. As with the 1990 Ankara conference (where only Levon Marashlian had the courage to attend), almost all reportedly declined, including Halil Berktay. (If these people are secure in their historical views, why would they not jump at the chance? It doesn't take courage to preach to the choir.) A few, like Fikret Adanir, reportedly got mildly shell-shocked in light of the real historical evidence genocide advocates rarely consider.This in-depth analysis will look at Gocek's latest appearances and a couple of interviews.
On Nov. 6, 2005, UCLA's Prof. Richard Hovannisian, brought Gocek, Akcam and newcomer Shafak together as those "among the growing number of Turkish intellectuals who seek to crack the wall of official Turkish denial. They are prepared to challenge the state-sponsored narrative of events and thereby advance the quest for truth..." If Hovannisian were really interested in "quest for truth," a request by the UCLA Turkish Student Association to include a representative with the differing historical perspective would have been allowed. Of course, Hovannisian has long demonstrated his penchant for monologue, not dialogue. It is only through dialogue that the evolving process for truth may be ascertained. Harut Sassounian, publisher of the California Courier, reported (in "Turkish Scholars Expect Turkey To Acknowledge Genocide by 2015") that Gocek "stunned the audience by estimating that there may be up to 2 million Turks who are partly of Armenian ancestry!" If the Armenian audience was stunned, they should be ashamed for shirking their propaganda-studying duty. That claim has been around in Armenian web sites for the longest time, sometimes presented as 1 million. (This is how estimates of the worldwide Armenian population go up from the probable 7 million to 10 million.) How revealing that Gocek would go with the higher end. While naturally there must be Turkified Armenians with all the centuries of co-minglings, and those who converted to Islam, how could anyone put a figure to the total? Anyone can "make up" a figure, especially those with little concern for the real facts. (Gocek spelled out her sources in the later "Horizon Weekly" interview, where she was quoted with the following: "I can tell you that Hrant Dink of Agos newspaper is especially interested in this matter; the 1-2 million figure I mentioned is based on my conversations with him. I just learned that it was Etyen Mahcupyan, the prominent Turkish Armenian intellectual, who estimated that there are probably 1.5 million such families." I'm sure these Armenian-Turks got this information from Armenian sites already in existence; the diaspora was working long before Armenians in Turkey began their familiar agitation process.)
Sassounian reported: "'Armenians have been wronged, but have not been able to mourn their losses, because of the Turkish denials,' she said. Dr. Gocek concluded by advocating that Armenians be given Turkish citizenship and the right of return."This is what comes from avoiding real history. Yes, Armenians caught in the middle were wronged (although they have been making a religion of mourning their losses ever since), but who is to blame? When the Armenians "fired the first shot" as aggressors, few would not be able to agree with Prof. McCarthy as he concluded (in his brilliant essay by the same name): "The guilt is on their heads." The Armenians chose to go to war with their Ottoman nation at the moment the nation was threatened with extinction; Boghos Nubar said it flat out: "The Armenians have been belligerents de facto, since they indignantly refused to side with Turkey."Of course, if the innocents were systematically murdered via a genocidal policy in retribution, the fact that Armenians fired the first shot could not serve as an excuse. But if they died though normal "war" circumstances — including crime, corruption, lack of resources that were similarly affecting everyone else as far as famine and disease — then, c'est la guerre. Turks were wronged at least as much, since more Turks were outright murdered by Armenians than the other way around. How interesting Gocek appears to show no sympathy for the Turks who were wronged. (Even while addressing such a highly partisan audience, the truth-teller could not, in good conscience, avoid this very important other side of the equation.) And what a wonderful advocate of Armenian propaganda this woman proves herself to be, with the "right of return" idea. The Armenians were given several opportunities to return, the last being the Lausanne Treaty. "[E]very Armenian who had once been an Ottoman citizen had until July 24, 1925 to come to Turkey as a Turkish citizen with the same rights as other Turkish citizens." (Feigl, "The Myth of Terror," 1986, p. 116.) Instead, Armenians, numerically plentiful at war's end in what was left of the Ottoman Empire, based on the claims of the Armenian Patriarch himself (1,260,000 in 1918, as provided by the Armenian Delegation, and 644,900 in 1921), chose to leave. Some left because of their usual reasons of belligerence (the exodus to Cilicia under French protection; the new Armenian homeland didn't work out), and didn't dare to return. Some chose the greener pastures of Christian nations that sympathetically opened their doors to the poor, innocent Armenians.While the following notion is no longer as popular in contemporary times (not in the "what's in it for me" USA, anyway), many still believe if you have made a decision, then you have to bear with the fall-out. If you chose to go along with your leaders and betrayed your nation, then you have to accept the consequences. (Even if you personally didn't like the idea, but didn't do anything to stop it, or if you only passively approved.) If you're granted a right that has an expiration date, and if you decided not to take advantage in time, then the failure to do so becomes your responsibility.Armenians appear to have trouble doing this. When something goes wrong, it's got to be the other fellow's fault. As First Prime Minister Hovhannes Katchaznouni honestly put it: "To complain bitterly about our bad luck and to seek external causes for our misfortune — that is one of the main aspects of our national psychology." If Fatma Muge Gocek wishes to apologize for the Armenians' inadequacies while serving as a proponent for Hai Tahd (The Armenian Cause), that is her choice. We all must accept the responsibility for our choices. But she does not have to be so completely like them, avoiding genuine history, concluding the Armenians have been "wronged," in desperation to find a fall guy. Especially if the fall guy happens to be her own nation. Taner Akcam spoke of Turkey's "paying compensation and making restitution," and Prof. Hovannisian "promised to the audience that a future conference would deal with the issues of reparations and territorial demands from Turkey."
One Picture: Worth One Thousand Words
http://www.tallarmeniantale.com/gocek.htm
Fatma Muge Gocek, Richard Hovannisian, Elif Shafak, Taner Akcam
strike a pose at the 2005 UCLA conference.
It's one thing if the Turks in this picture hate Turkey and want to see their native land dragged through the mud. It's one other thing if they honestly believe their backward and oppressive country calls for their enlightened help, and through their noble efforts Turkey will finally become a model among civilized nations. Whatever their true motivation$, the one thing you do NOT do is join the team of an arch-enemy like Richard Hovannisian, who has worked so diligently to hurt Turkish honor for many years, through his activism and dirty propaganda. His efforts toward wresting "Western Armenia" from Turkey are not going to help the nation of these three stooges in any conceivable manner.
Even the slightest sign of sympathy toward what was regarded as America's arch-enemy, Soviet Russia, brought practical ruin upon those such as Charlie Chaplin and Paul Robeson. A young Armenian fan from this conference gushed over how Fatma Muge Gocek joked about her father's friends seeing her as a traitor. As the headline says, one picture can truly be worth a thousand words.
On November 21, 1970 Jane Fonda declared to 2,000 students at Gocek's University of Michigan: "If you understood what communism was, you would hope, you would pray on your knees that we would some day become communist." Everyone is entitled to their peculiar views, but differences between Gocek and Fonda are that Gocek's position is supposed to be coming from the standpoint of a "scholar"... and at least Fonda was REACTING to a a perceived ill, not representing forces CAUSING the ill. In 1972, Fonda went to Hanoi, and allowed herself to be used by the enemies of her country, seated at this anti-aircraft gun in North Vietnam. Col. Alan Brunstrom said, "We felt that any Westerners who showed up in Hanoi were on the other side. They gave aid and comfort to the enemy, and as far as I'm concerned, they were traitors."
Even though contemporary thought tells us the actions of the USA in Vietnam were wrong, for the naive actress to have "joined the other side" is still not seen as commendable. That was not the correct way to protest, regardless of her idealistic beliefs; she helped put the lives of her countrymen in jeopardy. Fonda has expressed her regret in later years ("It was the most horrible thing I could possibly have done"), but many Americans will never forgive her. (As late as 2005, a Kentucky theater owner refused to show her film, "Monster in Law.")
Gocek and the others are similarly providing "aid and comfort to the enemy." Genocide-crazed Armenian youth may not be turning to their guns as they did in the 1970s and 1980s — fanatics whom those like Prof. Hovannisian happily agitated with propagandistic history, resulting in much murder and misery — but impressionable Armenians are doing their worldwide utmost to keep blackening the honor of the Turkish people. They are committing "Rufmord," another kind of murder.
If these two "historians" were true to their craft, they would accept the legal document Armenia signed at the end of the 1920 war that they had provoked (according to First Prime Minister Katchaznouni himself; Armenian propaganda tells us Turkey and Russia worked together to pick on poor, innocent Armenia) with the Turks. As Dashnak Critic Arthur Derounian wrote, referring to the Gumru/Alexandropol Treaty: "Highly significant Is Article 8, wherein Dashnags agreed 'to forego their rights to ask for damages... as a result of the general war,' thus closing the doors FOREVER to reparations for the enormous destruction of Armenian life and property."Looks like Gocek is trying to slip "Hai Tahd" through the back door. If those two million Armenians surface from within (there's a name for these folks, according to a recent article: "Crypto-Armenians"), then "Hai Tahd" will be one step closer to the dream of capturing "Western Armenia." The only trouble with this plan is, who is going to determine where these two million Armenians are? For example, most of the white people in the United States are of German stock. Mixed in with other "breeds" over the years, few have pride in their German origins. It would be quite a trick to get these long lost Germans to discover their roots, and allow this new identification to supersede their feelings and pride of being American.How odd that a critic of Turkish nationalism (everyone who disagrees with Gocek must be a "nationalist," of course) has no problem in trying to invigorate Armenian nationalism among these sleepy, purported Armeno-Turks.In armeniangenocide.com, a 23 year old student from California (who signs his posts, "The Armenian Genocide of 1915 will never be forgotten!") named "Tongue" went wild: "[T]hey weren't expecting this huge crowd. So many young people... people were amazed. It was great! So they opened another lecture hall and had the rest of the attendees sit there (and there were still people left outside) and once Tener Ackam was done in the first room, he came to ours. His main focus was on the Turkish documents and that not only they don't dismiss the genocide, but they actually prove it."There is not one document that "proves" the genocide. If anything, the Turkish documents prove the central government had the safeguarding of Armenian lives in mind. (Although issuing decrees from far away Istanbul was one thing, and controlling locals with different ideas was another. For example, Talat Pasha needed to keep issuing new orders to reinforce his first one in August 1915 commanding the Armenian resettlement [i.e., "genocide"] to halt. Source: Guenter Lewy, The Armenian Massacres in Ottoman Turkey: A Disputed Genocide, 2005.) If this example of impressionable Armenian youth is so gaga over his genocide, Akcam and Gocek ought to be proud of their stirring the fires of hatred.
Elif Shafak
This young man reported that Elif Shafak "said it's amazing how young Armenian teenagers that she sees and talk to have a memory of an old survivor... but Turkish teenagers, same age, their memory starts from 1923." That's the difference between Armenians and Turks Shafak and all Turks should be proud of, not complain about. Does Shafak think her forebears suffered no less? The difference is, they chose the humanistic standpoint, not the selfish "feel sorry for me" one. They could have easily instilled hatred upon their own youth, for the hideous crimes the Armenians perpetrated, as too many Armenian parents and churches have done with their own. This is why a 23 year old Armenian-American, far removed from "Armenia," finds a sense of belonging. Hitler made good use of such unifying power, at the expense of a scapegoat."And Fatma Muge Gocek, very funny lady," Tongue further wrote. He is correct, Gocek can be a pretty funny lady.
A couple of Fatma Gocek's other booksstress nationalism.
"She said some of her fathers friends consider her a traitor, and she said I tell my dad, I'm a scholar. I read alot — probably more than I should. Ask your friends to read my books and I'll be happy to discuss it with them but after they read my writings. She said she never hears from them again. haha."
Non-historian Gocek would have no difficulty finding more than her match with genuine scholars, taking all sides into account, knowing real history. Judging by the closed door workshops and conferences she chooses to be a part of, this hypocrite does not appear to accept many invitations for true debate. What would have been the harm in bringing in a "denialist" scholar to this UCLA affair? What was she afraid of? (Granted, she did not make the decisions for this one. Yet she could have insisted to Hovannisian.)For example, in a University of Michigan web page giving the lowdown on the second of Gocek's workshops with Ronald Suny ("Contextualizing the Armenian Experience in the Ottoman Empire: From the Balkan Wars to the New Turkish Republic"; Mar. 7-10, 2002), we are told through a paraphrased Gocek that the scholars' "intent had not been to prove or disprove a particular political stand, but to gain a better understanding of the events." Here is the way to "Prove Intent," in this case: one doesn't gain a better understanding by inviting only like-minded advocates. How terribly insincere.
Interestingly, Tongue also pointed out, "Elif Shafak, didn't say the word 'genocide' once! I'm not saying she meant to do that, but it's just something little that I noticed... Both Taner Akcam and Fatma Muge Gocek spoke about how they believe the Genocide will be recognized by the Turkish government by 2015..."Fatma Gocek likes to say in her interviews that she avoids using the word, "genocide." It appears, since Tongue did not also single her out, that she had no qualms in using the word before this genocide-batty Armenian audience. (No wonder, as Sassounian wrote, the "speakers were repeatedly interrupted with enthusiastic applause.") If one desires to be perceived as following a practice with the avoidance of a particular word, the stand becomes a lot more meaningful if one makes that stand wherever one may go.
Gocek elaborated on her word-avoidance in "U hosts conference on Turk, Armenian violence," by Elizabeth Dunbar, The Minnesota Daily, Mar. 31, 2003: "I do not personally use the term 'genocide' to describe what happened to Armenians, but not because I don't believe it wasn't... 'Genocide' is too political a term. They'll stop listening to you when you use it..."
Note the "They" are exclusively the Turks, since Armenians have a Mardi Gras when they hear that word. This means she is taking calculated steps in hopes of getting one particular group to listen, instead of presenting her scholarly findings to everyone equally. Could she have made her role as an advocate for a cause more clearly? If a scholar really believes "genocide" is the accurate description, would a real scholar care about taking sneaky, political steps to convince others? A real scholar would lay it on the line, not caring about where the chips may fall. How pitiful for this trio of Turks to become such accomplices for the cause of Armenian propaganda.
“I, as an ethnically Turkish citizen, am not guilty, but am responsible for what happened to the Armenians in 1915.”
Fresh on the heels of this Armenian-heroine worship, Fatma Muge Gocek popped by the "International Institute for Genocide and Human Rights Studies," a division of Vahakn Dadrian's Zoryan Institute in Toronto, on Dec. 2, 2005. (Naturally, the sanctimonious sounding name would be more accurate if called "Studies of SOME Humans' Rights"... or even more accurate, One Particular Brand of Human).
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ADDENDUM:(5-06)As wild as Gocek might have been with her declaration, leave it to the unending stream of Turkish opportunists to outdo even Fatma Muge Gocek!
Yelda Ozcan: "Turks... bad!"
Journalist Yelda Özcan was interviewed by Yevrobatsi, an Armenian publication from France, and asked what she thought of Gocek's declaration of feeling responsibility but not guilt. Her reply, in part: "I find a Turkish scholar’s conviction that she is responsible but not guilty at least not timely. Frankly I am ashamed of belonging to the side of the perpetrators, of the amnesia in contrast to the painful memories of my Armenian friends, of the ongoing crimes of the descendents of perpetrators, of the fact that non-Moslems still live like hostages in Turkey..." WHEW! This lady is making Fatma Muge Gocek to be a comparative right-wing Grey Wolf!She was also present at a mid-November 2005 Swedish conference, this time honoring the Assyrians and their hopes to be pitied as genocide victims. Özcan was covered in the Assyrian-American Zinda Magazine : "'I am sorry that I have to speak to you in the language of those who killed you'. She also said that she is ashamed of being Turkish and continued listing the Turkish atrocities against the minorities. "Naturally, this sort of Turk-hating Turk is pure gold to Turk-hating forces; we certainly would not be hearing about Yelda Özcan if she did not join the profitable genocide club. (Can't resist adding this segment from Zinda's coverage: "The Armenian professor Dadrian did not mention the name of the Assyrians once during his speech. And when asked whether Armenia should become the first state to aknowledge the Assyrian genocide he replied 'It is a good question but I can’t give you an answer, because we do not know much about your experience'. This statement, some Assyrian observers concluded, shows that there remains a reluctance towards the recognition of the Assyrian genocide by the armenian scholars." If the Assyrians are hoping to get sympathy from Vahakn Dadrian, they are barking up an impossible tree.)
She's a fine one to lecture on the concept of the weak point of the Armenians, "responsibility"; if Gocek feels such responsibility, it would be more appropriate for her to feel responsible toward the truth. To wit, note what this article, appearing as a Dec. 12, 2005 press release through Zoryan's "Human Rights" arm, goes on to tell us:"Prof. Göçek stated that while she does not use the word 'genocide' to refer to what happened to the Armenians in the Ottoman Empire in 1915, she affirmed that 'It certainly is so by the definition accepted by the United Nations.'"
Israel Charny
No, it is not. Who does Gocek think she is, an expert on genocide like "genocide scholar" Israel Charny? (Momento! Charny also claims the 1948 U.N. Convention defines the Armenian matter as a genocide in, for example, his June 16, 2005 open letter — which followed his April 6, 2005 open letter — to Turkey's Prime Minister Erdogan. Looks like Izzy can't get anything right.) It would be helpful if one familiarized oneself with the Convention's guidelines, before making inaccurate claims.There are a series of reasons why the U.N. Convention does not apply to this episode (you can read more on this page), at the head of which is that "INTENT" must be proven. One does not prove intent by coming up with dime-a-dozen theories, like Muslims hating Christians or Pan-Turanism. For example, Taner Akcam appears to dismiss these in favor of his own flawed theory. Anyone can come up with a theory. What is needed are pure facts. Ms. Gocek explains the reason why she does not like to use the word "genocide" (except when she is evidently in a room of cheering Armenians) is "because the term ‘genocide’ has become politicized by the Turkish state, as well as by certain segments of the Armenian Diaspora in such a manner that I think it hinders the discussion that needs to take place to get Turkish state and society…to understand what happened in 1915."How do you like that. The chief culprit is once again that never-can-do-anything-right "Turkish state." As if Turkey and the Turks would give two beans about this genocide madness were it not for the obsessed Armenian diaspora and their supporters, repeating this deep slander, based on hearsay, every chance they get. And note how Gocek, as one of their champions, doesn't pin the blame where it belongs; no, she only singles out "certain segments" of the Armenian diaspora. And what are the segments that have not politicized the word? Where is the Armenian who publicly states the 1915 events were not a genocide?"Most of the world, except for Turkey, has accepted what happened to the Armenians as at least a massacre, if not a genocide."Wrong again. Turkey does not conceal the fact that some Armenians were massacred by local revengists or criminals who took matters into their own hands. Perhaps Ms. Gocek is confusing the Turks with the Armenians. It's the Armenians who rarely admit the Armenians massacred Turks, and in the rare times they do, usually with the unsympathetic explanation that these took place in revenge mode, and that the Turks deserved what they got. The fact of the matter is, the Armenians generally ACTED by firing the first shot, and the Turks REACTED. It was the same pattern since the terrorist groups formed in the late 1800s; Armenians massacred Turks in hopes of inciting the same, to encourage European intervention. Of those who died during WWI from both groups, more "Turks" were killed outright by Armenians (some half a million, equaling approximately the total of Armenians killed from all causes) than the other way around (in 1977, "Le Figaro" figured 15,000, only 1% of the usual 1.5 million claim; and these were from "shootings, sickness and deprivation on the march," not just massacres), with the bulk of the deaths occurring in both groups from famine, disease and combat. It's likely the Armenians who were murdered outright did not surpass 50,000, which is about one-tenth of the slaughtered Muslim victims, and, again, about one-tenth of all Armenians killed from all causes.If most of the world sides with the pro-Armenians, there are reasons, beginning with a deeply seated "Terrible Turk" bigotry in place since the Crusades, added to Armenian obsession and dirty tactics to frighten off neutral academicians. The way to make one's case is not to point to a flat-earth claiming majority agreement. There is simply no way around to prove a claim than by coming up with the hard evidence.
Why do so many in my country and Europe believe that the small group of Turks who accept the Armenian Nationalists' beliefs represent Turkish scholarship? Why is it believed that these Turks speak for the real beliefs of Turkish professors? Part of the reason is prejudice. Prejudice against Turks has existed for so long that it is easy for people to believe that Turks must have been guilty. Another reason, however, is that few in Europe and America know that real Turkish scholarship on this issue exists. Dr. Justin McCarthy at the Turkish Grand National Assembly, March 24, 2005
The article explains that Gocek "made clear that their opposition to the official state discourse does not in any way imply opposition to the existence of the Turkish state. The Turkish Republic should be proud, she insisted, that it has produced a group of scholars who are willing to criticize the state and society with the purpose of making it a better place for all of its citizens."Criticizing the state and society serves an honorable purpose, since governments across the world have a tendency to forget they are representing the people. Turkey, however, is surrounded by hostiles, from within and without, that have in their best interest to weaken the state. In other words, Turkey does not have the advantage of stability, as do Germany and the USA. Even the friends of Turkey, like fair weather European friends and the United States, don't wish to see a strong Turkey. In this risky environment, individual Turks don't need to abet their nation's enemies by contributing to the forces that love to make Turkey their favorite whipping boy. If the Turkish state needs to be more open to criticism, the way to do it is by picking issues where the state really deserves blame... in areas where the people are not getting their due, economically, educationally (not enough universities to meet demand, for example), socially, politically. You don't pick an issue that has had a time honored tradition since before WWI to be used for the purpose of splitting Turkey apart... a tradition that continues, as Richard Hovannisian made clear above with his goal of "reparations and territorial demands from Turkey." You don't pick a controversial issue supported by worldwide Turk-hating forces who work night and day to demonstrate what a monster Turkey and the Turkish people are. And you certainly don't pick an issue that is simply unproven and not based on fact.
History teaches that the Armenian Nationalists will not stop their claims if the Turks forget the truth and say there was an Armenian Genocide. They will not cease to claim Erzurum and Van because the Turks have apologized for a crime they did not commit. No. They will increase their efforts. They will say, "The Turks have admitted they did it. Now they must pay for their crimes." The same critics who now say the Turks should admit genocide will say the Turks should pay reparations. Then they will demand the Turks give Erzurum and Van and Elazig and Sivas and Bitlis and Trabzon to Armenia. Dr. Justin McCarthy at the Turkish Grand National Assembly, March 24, 2005
"She then added that what she and other intellectuals strove for was to make sure that there is public space in Turkey for everyone to make their views heard, regardless of whether or not they are critical of the state."How very dishonest. If this were the case, the Istanbul conference would have made sure to invite speakers with views different than their own. For example, Prof. Turkkaya Ataov, even if this group would wrongly accuse him of working for the Turkish state, should have been allowed to speak (given his considerable background on the subject), as I understand he wished. He was turned down. So space was not made available for "everyone" to make their views heard. Space was only made available for genocide advocates, like Gocek and Berktay.Can she name one speaker who came from the "denialist" point of view? From all that I have heard, I don't believe she can. Even the audience members were screened against the "denialists." This is a fine example "Lady Fatma the Enlightened" provided for her totalitarian state, while breaking her own rules."The purpose of the conference was to discuss and debate issues," she goes on to mislead. There can be no debate when everyone is of the same opinion. Gocek also charges that "the Turkish nationalist identity... views the Armenian Diaspora as a vast monolith." Could that be because, as far as the "genocide" is concerned, the Armenian diaspora is a vast monolith? That doesn't mean Armenians don't exist who know this genocide is a big fraud. However, because of the "Armenian Curtain of Fear," few dare to say so publicly. [The penalty? Destruction of reputation, and worse. The controlling force of the diaspora, and the nation of Armenia, currently is the Dashnaks. The Dashnaks have not strayed far from their terroristic origins.] Aside from the late Edward Tashji, does anyone know of a non-Turkish Armenian who has made a point of publicly going against the genocide industry? If no names come to mind, then that means everyone else is of the same mentality. That is the definition of "monolith." (Let's see... how does my dictionary define the word. Oh, here it is. "Massive, solid, uniform." That's the diaspora, all right, in regards to their genocide.)"Finally, the conference helped them realize the extent of the fear inside Turkey, the lack of confidence and the lack of knowledge on the Armenian issue as a whole."Indeed I, not in tune with the nation of Turkey and believing at least the Turks knew the ins and outs of this genocide arena, have come to learn how woefully ignorant the Turks are. Add to that Turkish gullibility and the Turkish desire to play fair, and we have a hazardous cocktail that make the Turks the perfect pigeons for this hateful Armenian propaganda. What a coup for Gocek and her cronies in succeeding with such infiltration as this one-sided genocide conference, within the nation itself. Get the Turks themselves to start believing in these false genocide claims, and the path will soon be carved for the dishonest genocide industry to have won.All the Turks need to do is devote themselves to real historical knowledge. (Which would take doing, as Turks can be very indifferent.) If there is any "fear" and "lack of confidence," there is nothing like the truth to boost one's courage. (This would be the truth the genocide industry is in short supply of, since time and time again, they demonstrate the "lack of confidence" to engage in honest debate.)"We have to make the Turkish public aware that recognition has to take place, not only because it is moral to do so, but it is also necessary for the democratization of Turkish society."The lady's got nerve, we can say that much. The only way that recognition will take place is if the Turks are brainwashed into believing this horrible propaganda represents the truth. As clueless as too many Turks seem to be, there is a long way to go before that happens. Furthermore, who appointed Gocek as the Grand Marshall of Democracy? Who does she think she is, to determine the democratization that is necessary? Especially after her tendency of spitting upon democracy, when it comes to her own genocide conferences, prohibiting those with different views from attending. (And we won't yet go near her qualifications in judging what is "moral.") As I said... the lady's got a lot of nerve.
"...[W]hatever the European Union demands, I have faith in the honor of the Turks. What I know of the Turks tells me that they will never falsely say there was an Armenian Genocide. I have faith in the honesty of the Turks. I know that the Turks will resist demands to confess to a crime they did not commit, no matter the price of honesty. I have faith in the integrity of the Turks. I know that the Turks will not lie about this history. I know that the Turks will never say their fathers were murderers. I have that faith in the Turks." Dr. Justin McCarthy at the Turkish Grand National Assembly, March 24, 2005
The article/press release goes on to tell us a Turkish Embassy man was allowed a few minutes, "In keeping with the principle of providing space for alternative points of view, as Prof. Göçek advocates, he was granted several minutes to make a speech of his own, even though the forum was purely academic." This is the first time I've heard of an interjection of a counter-view, in the conferences Gocek has participated in, and it's to be commended. If Gocek really was a stickler for "providing space for alternative points of view," she would have insisted in the two former examples we've covered, the Istanbul conference and UCLA forum. And, really, how much can be said in "several minutes"? (Of course, it's better than nothing. After these several minutes, by the way, the Armenian ambassador had his turn.)
It is a near certainty the initiative did not come from the Zoryan Institute; the Turkish Embassy must have contacted them, just as the UCLA Turkish Student Association contacted organizers of the Hovannisian event, and Canadians are generally more civil and open-minded than Americans. The Zoryan directors perhaps felt an obligation to cooperate with societal mores, when it came to considering a request from official channels; it is a great rarity for an Armenian conference to make room for a "denialist," and this article was not being sincere by making it appear as though such were a routine practice. The Turk allowed to speak, Counselor Yonet Tezel, was very polite and did not appear to get into historical issues (based on what the article revealed, anyway), one reason why an exemption might have been granted. He was diplomatic, stressing the commonalities of Armenians and Turks, and stating the study of this matter was on the rise in Turkey, and that the Istanbul conference was good in making Turks aware of the seriousness of the genocide charge. Here's the best defense he was able to come up with, against Gocek's blather: “However, the people of Turkey do not feel they are the grandchildren of perpetrators of genocide.” That was quite the knock-out blow, wasn't it? Of course, the author of this article was not going to let the "denialists" get away even with this ineffectual soap sud. Why, hadn't Prof. Göçek differentiated between guilt and responsibility? (Yes, but that had nothing to do with the point. Gocek looks at the genocide as a fact and wants Turks to feel responsible and ashamed. The embassy man is basically saying there was no genocide. No crime means no feeling of responsibility.) In addition, didn't Gocek "articulate" that many of the genocide perpetrators became members of the first Turkish government? Quote the Gocek:"'I did an analysis of the Deputies of the first National Assembly,' she explained. 'I have found enough documentation that implicates about 25-30% of the Deputies of having participated in the massacres against the Armenians….Not only was there no accountability and no punishment for those who committed crimes against the Armenians, but many of the perpetrators unfortunately then became leaders of the Turkish Republic. Significant among these, for example, were people like Ismet Inunu [sic] and Celal Bayar…who came to occupy significant posts, such as either the President, Prime Minister, or Ministers of the new Republic…. So the perpetrators of the past became…the heroes of the present and the future, and this made it extremely difficult, I think, for Mustapha Kemal, who himself, actually, was chosen to lead the independence struggle, because he did not at all participate in any of these crimes."Well, those like Rudy Rummel and Levon Marashlian would disagree, as the "Armenian Genocide" is often listed as going on until 1923, and the "Kemalists" are also charged with being perpetrators of genocide. (But there are limits as to how far Gocek and Akcam will go; they realize their agenda among fellow Turks would become endangered if they don't let Ataturk off the hook.)But wasn't the above exciting? We got a taste of "Gocek the Historian."And I'll bet it was she who sat down to perform this original historical research, like these "facts" weren't already examined inside and out by Dadrian's Zoryan Institute, and the like. All she likely had to do was dip into the vast reserves of the Armenian Propaganda Industry.Isn't it wonderful how "she" was able to determine the guilt of genocide perpetrators like Ismet Inonu? Good thing we have Fatma Muge Gocek as judge and jury to determine who the criminals were. Of course, we don't know what kind of material has been dug up to "implicate" 25-30% of these men. All that's necessary for agenda-ridden propagandists is for someone to point a finger and say, "He dood it." (There was plenty of finger-pointing by accused parties at the Allied occupied 1919-20 Ottoman kangaroo courts, knowing they were one step away from the noose.)
ISMET INONU: "GENOCIDE KILLER"?Armenians in Turkey gave a plaquette of gratitude to Ismet Pasha (Inönü) who was the chief Turkish representative at the Lausanne International Peace Conference. The Conference ended on July 24th, 1923, The plaquette was dated July 24, 1923 as a tribute to the date the Lausanne Peace Conference had ended. The inscription on the plaquette that was given to Ismet Pasha reads:“May God grant you a long life, The glorious and victorious warrior, The symbol of heroism and genius, The great savior of our holy country. This is the eternal gratitude To his Majesty Ismet Pasha by the Armenians in Turkey.”
It's highly immoral for conclusions of "criminal" to be made through hearsay. Fatma Muge Gocek wouldn't like it if she were accused of a ruinous crime without evidence to back up the charge. Even if someone frivolously accused her of writing a bad check, she wouldn't like it. Why is this great moralist doing the same with people no longer around to defend themselves?Especially when she does not possess the concrete proof. We know she does not, because the British tried desperately to come up with the goods, during their two-plus year investigation leading to the Malta Tribunal. (This would be around the time the British and their allies pronounced a death sentence upon the Turkish nation in May of 1920, via the Treaty of Sèvres. That is, the Brits were out to get the Turks, and were as unfriendly as can be.) The British were desperate enough to research the archives of the United States in 1921. Washington's British embassy indicated the uselessness of the archives, the bread and butter of the genocide foundation, concluding the reports boiled down to "personal opinions." In point of fact, this very standard charge (unpunished genocidal maniacs going on to rule the new Turkey) is one that Akcam himself had made during a radio interview in early 2005. It is one that has been around for a long time. So it wasn't like there was "no accountability and no punishment" for these alleged perpetrators, The one thing there was plenty of was "no evidence." The reader is advised to tune in to this section to see what British P.O.W. Harold Armstrong had to say about some of these men who finally were released, without being proven guilty. If these innocent men patriotically went on to serve their devastated country, that makes it doubly intolerable for a Turk like Gocek to point fingers of hearsay at them.At least during the war some attempt was made by the Ottoman government to punish Turks who had committed crimes against Armenians. (Taner Akcam pathetically tried to prove otherwise in a mid-2003 article appearing in a Turkish newspaper, you know, the country where the "genocide" is a "taboo.") If anyone got off scot free, with "no accountability and no punishment," it was the dreadful murderers, terrorists and sadists like Dro, Antranik, Armen Garo, Soghoman Tehlirian, and so many others, glorified by Armenians today, who did their best in killing for killing's sake, slaughtering hundreds of thousands of innocent and defenseless people. The Zoryan Institute conference 's audience members were "touched," the article tells us, by Gocek's "message that it is the scholar’s responsibility to emphasize the human dimension, and that we as humans should be morally responsible and share the suffering of others regardless of political considerations." Then why does this humanist rarely utter a word for her own being killed so savagely and comprehensively? (At least she's mum about the Armenians as perpetrators, and apparently sparing with the rest.)
Gocek Interviewed in the Armenian "Aztag"
Therefore, when Gocek is quoted as stating that "Armenians I talked with were so hurt because of this awful thing that had happened in the past; they were not able to mourn it properly because it was not recognized ("On the Foundations of Turkey," interview conducted by Khatchig Mouradian, www.aztagdaily.com/interviews/gocek.htm), is she satisfying a psychological need within herself by tending to the wounds of people obsessed by a genocide that "warps them emotionally," as she goes on to state? And because Turks have chosen the path to forgive and forget, not allowing future generations to become warped, does that mean the Turks' suffering should be ignored? This is not being part of a "humane community," as Gocek tells us. It is being humane to the humans who are exclusively designated as worthy. Selective humanity is not genuinely humane. In this interview, she tells us Turks responded by becoming angry, which did not grab her sympathy as much as the boo-hoo'ing Armenians. Why did these Turks become angry? Most likely because they were aware of the imbalance of the equation in this prejudiced world, and the last thing they needed was a possibly naive propaganda advocate to lecture them. The anger made her "realize how much the official historiography there had left out what had happened in the past." In other words, she determined the stories by those who tugged her heartstrings must have been more valid than the story made up by her fascist Turkish state. Perhaps Fatma Muge Gocek provided the best explanation as to why sociologists in general, concerned with the welfare of humanity (or in the case of certain sociologists, "selective" humanity) don't make for competent, dispassionate historians.She "got the best education Turkey had to offer" before coming to the U.S., unaware of "what happened, because there are no sources that I could have read and critically studied other than the ones that presented the Turkish State's version of history."Is she presenting the notion that every history book written in Turkey bore the stamp of her evil Turkish government? Is this supposed to be a Stalinist, Nazified government where nobody is allowed to distribute independent research, and whose people are prone to thought control? Perhaps the "Freedom of Speech" laws were and are not as liberal as those in the USA, but the same is the case for "modern, enlightened" nations such as France and Switzerland, where one can be taken to court for questioning genocides.
The late Kamuran Gurun, shortlybefore his passing
Armenian propaganda discredits anything not in line with their agenda, as we all know, and Kamuran Gurun 's "The Armenian File" gets the usual "smear" treatment because Gurun was once a diplomat. Ergo, Gurun must have been a dishonest agent of the evil Turkish government, lying through his teeth.
(Gocek did not mention Gurun by name; I'm pointing to him as an example. I myself generally do not rely on Turkish historians — their books aren't easily available in the USA, for one thing, and their potential bias is not a factor to ignore — but Gurun is one of a handful I have come to trust.)Just as when Gocek gave her talk at the Zoryan Institute, and an attempt was made to include a "denialist," who were they going to call? There is practically no one, because the neutral academicians have been frightened away. Even in previous years, during the 1970s and 80s, before the campaign to intimidate neutral academicians went into full swing, there simply was practically nobody to represent the "Other Side." The diplomats, like 1980s Ambassador Sukru Elekdag in Washington, were forced to become "historians." By the time Gurun wrote his book, no longer working for the government as I understand (and even if he were, the research is always the final determinant of credibility), he had learned (as a diplomat) enough of this history and the terrible and unfair prejudice throughout the world toward his nation and people; nobody needed to "bribe" Gurun to write his book. He wrote that book because he believed 100% in what he was writing.So here's a book based almost completely on Western sources and internal Ottoman documents never meant to be publicized and therefore could not be construed as propaganda. There is no "Turkish propaganda" in that book. If anything, with the emphasis on Western and Armenian sources, it could be more ironically said the book is better filled with "Armenian propaganda."Dadrian claims it was this book that changed the mind of the venerable scholar, Prof. Bernard Lewis (whose reputation was a lot more untainted at the time, before the pro-Armenians took an A.R.F. style stab at him). Yes, before the book, Lewis relied on the omnipresent Armenian propaganda, and was yet another genocide believer. This is my drawn out way of explaining to the reader that ... does anyone believe this book, if it were an instrument of the evil Turkish state, could have turned around the mind of Prof. Bernard Lewis? (Interestingly, Gocek revealed in an unpublicized letter that Lewis happened to be a "mentor." If this book was good enough for Lewis, how curious that she would disrespect her own mentor's conclusions.)" The Armenian File" (which came out in 1985, while young Gocek was putting the pieces together; she is reported to have arrived in the USA four years prior, at age 24; as an added note, in the unpublicized letter, Gocek claimed she only started intensively digging into the "genocide" since 2000) is an example of works that Fatma Muge Gocek tells us was not worthy of consideration because it "presented the Turkish State's version of history."
(From that unpublicized letter, two other mentors that she feels "honored" — in the current, and not the past tense — to have learned from were Heath Lowry and Halil Inalcik. I confess ignorance of the latter, although I've heard the name. However, I believe he would belong in the "denialist" category. Would he not be one of those Turks who "presented the Turkish State's version of history," the kind that she could not trust and left her "unaware"? That is the opposite of what "mentor" means, which in my dictionary is defined as "a wise and trusted counselor or teacher." So I am confused. If these three professors have come upon radically different conclusions, I suppose what Gocek really meant was that she trusted them once in her doe-eyed innocence, until discovering through her own research that either they were incompetent, or that they diabolically tricked her, and she is being polite by still paying honor to them. At any rate, at least we have come to learn Gocek is not the best judge of mentors.) Nevertheless, anyone who reads The Armenian File can plainly see the case is made through non-propagandistic facts. It's not as if some government flunky sat down and wrote his "opinions"... the kind of opinions that comprise the base for Armenian Genocide evidence.(Maybe that's why Gocek rejected this book; it's devoid of the "opinions" she prefers.)She complains that "the translation of those Ottoman sources into Latin script has been controlled by the government as well." Now that the Ottoman archives have been open, have there been any Ara Sarafians or Hilmar Kaisers who have proven translations were inaccurately performed? (Sarafian pointed out errors in Gurun's book, for example; the Armenian scholar appeared to be looking for "cracks in the wall of denial.")If anything, it is her side that misrepresents Ottoman translations, as provided by this example, where Sukru Elekdag gave a piece of mind to Halil Berktay's interpretation of an Ottoman telegram, back in the year 2000.
(Taner Akcam also had issues with the "crime" of Turkish historians manipulating translations.)
If only Gocek would "Go check" her facts and figures
Alex Haley
Gocek explains that once she "established" herself as an academic and received tenure, she figured the time was right to hop aboard the genocide train. "Of course, the first thing I had to do was to prove that I really was not an Armenian." She performed an "Alex Haley," and traced all her ancestors to see if there was one part which was Armenian. She discovered her Sunni family arrived into Anatolia from the Caucasus in the 16th century.But hold on a minute. Since Gocek herself now brings up the notion that there are up to 2 million "secret" Armenians in Turkey, how can we be absolutely sure? How do we know a member of her family did not want to mix it up with someone of that pure Aryan blood, in order to jack up the genetic soup that the primitive Mongol Turks are said to have deliberately engaged in, to boost the quality of their inferior sub-human race, according to Gocek's favored Armenian propaganda?I'm only kidding, of course. Just an example of Gocek shooting herself in the foot. If she's telling us there are so many Armenians in the midst, and since genealogy is not an exact science, there is really no way to be certain, is there?
Gocek goes on to report:"Another thing that I tell audiences here is that recognition of what happened in 1915 will be very cathartic for the Armenians, but for the Turks, it will be the beginning of a very long process, an arduous process because there are many other social groups in Turkish history that have also suffered; there are the Greeks, the Assyrians, of course, the Kurds, and, at certain junctures, the Islamists. Turkey has a lot to come to terms with and it is going to be a very long and difficult process."It seems the only ones who escaped suffering were those eternal victimizers, the barbaric Turks. This woman offers more than simple catharsis to the Armenians. This woman is like a god.
Ronald Suny
She goes on to tell us that the workshops she held with Suny, closed to the public (because of the "politics around the subject"; I'd think the controversy should serve as the very reason not to hide behind closed doors. She elaborates they did not "want participants marching in and declaring what we should be doing," but that kind of thing could happen regardless of the openness of doors. Unless, of course, the participants were all of a like mind), fought against the idea of declarations needing to be written "stating that we are recognizing the Armenian genocide," because Suny said, "look, we are scholars and that goes against the nature of scholarship."
(Incidentally, from a private letter of a pro-Armenian professor from Germany, here's a line where the professor attempted to explain his "genocide" views: "I'm not an historian, I'm a political scientist and as such I'm primarily interested in the public discourse itself." Wasn't that honest? Suny is similarly a professor of political science. Because someone is a "scholar" does not automatically make them historians, and qualified to judge history.)While I didn't meticulously examine the background of participants in these workshops (from Internet accounts I've come across), and there were names that were unfamiliar to me, it sounded like everyone involved was in agreement that there was a genocide. These workshops appeared to follow the typical genocide club rules, despite impressions presented to the contrary. Gocek implies there was such balance, the workshop was confused with the Turkish-Armenian Reconciliation Commission (TARC); but there would have needed to be "denialists" in the crowd for that to have happened, wouldn't there?"...[B]oth the Armenians and some of the Turks I talked to thought that I was inviting them to this place where we were going to advocate the views of the Turkish State." If that's true, it goes to show how little known Gocek was known as a proponent of the Armenians' genocide, and few will ever make that mistake again. And since only "some" of the Turks were worried about this (these would likely have been of the Taner Akcam variety), I wonder which Turks didn't care? In other words, who were the "denialists" in this crowd? Were there any? (For example, a Leyla Neyzi, from Halil Bertktay's Sabanci University, was a participant in the 2002 show. Since she was identified as being from the presumably apolitical anthropology department of her institution, and she might have been among those Turks who didn't have reason to make a stink, does that mean she could have been from the Turkish State-supporting denialist crowd?)
These Workshops of Armenian-Turkish Scholarships, or WATS's (as in "Whatsis?"), that Suny and Gocek have been holding the last few years, are not based on honesty. At the time of this writing, Prof. Gerard Libaridian [once head of the Zoryan Institute, and currently residing in Gocek's University of Michigan, worrisomely from the "history" department] has made the announcement for the fifth one, to be held in New York University, in mid-May 2006. Their partner is Dr. Paul Boghossian from NYU's Philosophy Department. The theme: "The Boundaries of Genocide: Intentions, Histories, Peoples." Libaridian specifies: "We are inviting scholars interested in the various dimensions presented by the theme to submit proposals for papers to be discussed at this meeting." What does that mean? It means genocide is a foregone conclusion, and "denialists" [or actual Turkish scholars, among others], Stay Out. Yet, the facade is maintained that there is an equality between Armenians and Turks, and no politics are involved.
NYU, by the way, has a newly constructed separate building devoted to Near East Studies, named after its wealthy benefactor: the "Hagop Kevorkian Center for Near Eastern Studies." (Not that this has anything to do with WATS, but just to give the reader an idea; why has this rich Armenian decided to plunk perhaps millions of dollars down on a platform for teaching history... and how many others are there like him, donating their big bucks not as openly? Another wealthy Armenian ("the Arsham and Charlotte Ohanessian Chair in the College of Liberal Arts") supported, at least in 2003, Stephen Feinstein's "Center for Holocaust and Genocide Studies," affiliated with Taner Akcam's University of Minnesota.)
"The organizers will pay for travel and room and board expenses..." Imagine the pull among some journeyman, starry-eyed Turkish academicians in Turkey to get away to glamorous New York City and be part of a "scholarly" crowd, stepping away from anonymity, and into the world of potential accolades and recognition. ("We can expect a relatively large participation by... the press.") No wonder there has been no shortage of Turkish opportunists; here is a good example of what was referred to in the opening paragraph as "the profitable genocide pie." ("The total number of attendees will be limited to 45 persons maximum." Multiply 45 times the cost of worldwide travel, plus sky-high New York City hotel and food expenses... zowie! Up against this kind of high financing, the "denialists" can't stand a chance. And this is only one example of conferences held by the "genocide club," worldwide.)
"Finding common ground is professor's specialty," blared the headline of a September 2, 2004 article by Geoff Larcom, Ann Arbor News, regarding Gocek. "She is a voice of reason and compromise," gushed Howard Kimeldorf, chairman of her department.
Standing her ground instead of finding common ground is more the case, at least when it comes to this genocide. Irrefutable historical facts that declare this genocide to be a myth, far from making someone "a voice of reason" allows one to be an unreasonable pharisee. This is particularly unforgivable, when the someone is supposed to be an unprejudiced scholar. (Michael Kennedy instead vouched for Gocek as "a dedicated scholar, committed to the most important historical questions." Unfortunately, she's even more committed to the one-sided answers to some of those historical questions.)
"The political protests that marked her college days stirred her interest in social issues, as did her bilingual upbringing and a grandfather who recalled the tremendous kindness of Jewish neighbors during hard times years ago," the article informs us. We don't know the second language she spoke while growing up, in a household that originated from the Caucasus in the 16th century, but we do learn Gocek knows seven languages, impressively confirming her obvious intelligence. She's such a softie, grandpa's thumbs up on the kindly Jews made her decide to raise her kids with that particular faith.
Not incidentally, the man she "hosted" to come to the U.S., Taner Akcam, was an active participant during those days of political protest, sometimes to the point of "Imbedded Violence," as Gocek might put it, as you'll read below.
Suny was in the University of Michigan at the time Gocek entered the waters, and off to dinner they went. "Turks and Armenians have historically been enemies, so the meeting was a bit awkward at first," Suny was quoted as saying, as they went on with the "pretense of ordering dinner." (Now the general Turkish way of thinking in this situation would be to look at the glass as half full, and stress the centuries of brotherliness, instead. Most Turks would regard the Armenian or Greek as a friend, and the only awkwardness — on the Turk's part — would come from not knowing yet the degree of that friend's potential hatefulness. [A few paragraphs later, Gocek will provide from her own experience this very knee-jerk hostility.])
Suny's wife broke the ice with, "Well, what do you think about the Armenian Genocide?" (Likely translation: "Depending on the answer, you will pass our test on whether we will consider you as a friend or not.")
"Gocek calmly explained that night that she understood what had happened and had no problem dealing with it as a scholar." Rather vague. I suppose it means Gocek tearfully explained her people are just no good, and that she felt responsible for the millions of poor, innocent Armenians who were all murdered. Since Suny went on to say her "move" resulted in their long friendship, I suppose that clinches it.
Once again, the rosy picture is painted, where their collaboration "brought Armenian, Turkish... scholars together in a series of workshops... to research the events of 1915." Once again, the deceptive notion that these handful of opportunist Turks represent mainstream Turkish scholarship; and then we're hit with, "The project has been attacked both by Armenians and Turks," confirming the deception. Yes, perhaps some of the more hardcore Armenian propagandists, like Vahakn Dadrian, might have spoken derisively of Suny, because Suny is comparatively more "reasonable," but WHAT genocide-obsessed Armenian would not gladly recognize these workshops for being the purely Armenian endeavors that they are?
Gocek explains her approach: "If we don't account as a society for what we did in the past, it will keep repeating itself," in a twist on the mantra of the genocide scholars, George Santanya's quote. (Or misquote.) "Violence is imbedded in our society," she goes on to say, perhaps referring to the society of the United States — since this was for an American newspaper — or just about any other society in the world. I have a feeling no matter how much my country repents for its highly violent ways throughout history, the violence simply is not going to go away. However, if Gocek was, by chance, referring to Turkey, she must have forgotten Ataturk's "Peace at Home, Peace in the World" principle that has been faithfully followed, except in 1974, in a legal and pre-emptive move against potential extermination, along with the few times Turkey hoped to prove what a reliable ally she can be to the West. How many wars since 1923 has the USA been involved in, by comparison? For that matter, how many Ottoman wars were started by the Ottomans after the 16th century, as they were constantly fending off attacks from the rest of the violence-imbedded world?
Says Gocek: "I want to bring home the message: We are all ultimately the same." She has a funny way of proving it, by telling the world her people are nearly always the killers, and the Armenians have not been capable of at least the same tendency to kill.
Since Gocek declares herself to be an "Ottoman specialist," at one time she thought herself qualified to draw up a historiography beginning in the late 1800s. The subject of reform came up in 1878 (this, of course, was at the end of a disastrous war with Russia, a highly dangerous time for the empire, when the empire's arm was being twisted and the first Armenian terrorist groups were forming), and that's when the troubles started:"...[T]he first incidents were seen as the subjects being unhappy with the situation and initially there is no rhetoric that developed against them. The hostile stand against the Armenians developed later when they gradually started to be portrayed as 'the other'."By "incidents," she must be talking about massacres. Note how our historian makes it sound like a racial animosity was developing toward the Armenians, like the Jews of the Nazi regime, for no reason. No mention of the terrorist groups inciting violence, emboldened by their land-grabbing, European-supported Orthodox cousins in the Balkans. No mention of Armenians like this man, permitted in power positions in the years leading to WWI. When CUP and later, the Turkish Republic, tried to "justify what was going on," Gocek explains they were being "proto-nationalist," in other words, straying from fact and stressing the propaganda.But who becomes the real propagandist by leaving out key components of "historiography"?
We must affirm a basic principle: Those who take propaganda as their source themselves write propaganda, not history.
Dr. Justin McCarthy at the Turkish Grand National Assembly, March 24, 2005
Here is some insight on her frustrations:"Well I also get distressed at times. We hear of Turks living in the US who think people like me are 'turncoats'; that we are out to destroy the Turkish Republic. There are these nationalist Turkish-Americans out there, mostly professionals dying to be the mouthpieces of the Turkish State, who know nothing about the Armenian issue other than what the State has instructed them to believe, or who have maybe read at most one propaganda piece on the topic, but are of course sure everything in there is correct because they have no scholarly training to assess its quality. Then they have the guts to get out in public and denigrate you without even bothering to read what you have written!"Maybe there are some folks who fit into these categories. However, from the "denialists" I've gotten to know through correspondence, I don't get the slightest hint that the Turkish-Americans care to be "mouthpieces of the Turkish State." That is not what motivates them. Since Turks are notoriously indifferent, the few who keep at it are driven only by the villainies from Gocek's camp that are all too real. The professionals among these folks carry at least a promise of intellectualism, and living in a Western nation, they are aware of the many injustices and anti-Turkish prejudices that drive these issues. None of them need the "State" to instruct them what to believe. "1984" Orwellian connections become especially easy to sever once away from the influence of the "State." What a foolish summation, that these Turkish-Americans are at it because they are brainwashed, or because they're after some sort of gain.And is she serious about these Turkish-Americans being unable to assess the scholarly quality about the "denialist" point of view? Living in a nation where the populace is bombarded almost exclusively by Armenian propaganda? It's not difficult to separate the sources with the conflicts of interest versus the ones that are not.She herself gives an idea of this pattern, from her own experience, in a later interview from "Horizon Weekly" that will be referred to below: "Personally, I was most struck by how, when I was in Turkey, I had not even been aware there was an Armenian question; we were not taught anything about it in school. When I came to the United States for my dissertation work, the opposite held true: I was constantly confronted by Armenians who were often hostile to me for having killed their ancestors." This means the Turkish-Americans who were schooled in Turkey also did not get the opportunity to be "brainwashed" by the "State." In fact, I know from personal experience, if any brainwashing takes place in the minds of these Turks, it happens after they come to America. But the propaganda encountered in the "States" happens to be Armenian propaganda.Gocek has several books out, but one needn't look far to see where she is coming from. Hobnobbing with the likes of Hovannisian and Papazian (the latter, potentially since 1988, when she got her start as an assistant professor at their highly pro-Armenian Michigan university; she might have seriously begun studying this topic in 2000, but it would appear her influence started further back), and reading her comments on the Internet give enough of an idea that her intentions are not those that will make her homeland stronger. I don't believe she is out to "destroy" the Turkish Republic, but she has blatantly set camp with those who would love nothing but. It's highly ingenuous of her to make it appear as though she's looking out for the interests of her native country. Those who are working to cause harm to their country, in a world that is looking to sustain its weaknesses, cannot be termed a loyalist.
"Turkey has not had the chance to mourn either. I think because of building this new nation on new Republican principles, the Turkish people themselves have never had the chance to come into terms with the traumas in their own past."This is the first time I'm running into a little equal time for Turks as suffering humans, as well.Yet note how presumptuous she is. What makes her think Turkey is looking to "mourn"? Culturally, Turks are the "strong and silent" type. They don't advertise their tragedies. The only reason why word of the Turkish dead has been surfacing (and ignored; Prof. McCarthy's "Death and Exile" has come out in 1995, and there are no "genocide scholars" willing to give the Turks status as victims) is because the cry-babies slanderously keep harping on what horrendous victimizers the Turks have been. Not everybody in the world has to abide by modern psychological concepts such as "Dr. Phil" and "closure."
"The dignified silence of the Turks against the mounting unjustified attacks and mean slanders can only be explained by their pity for the blind. …How beautifully this attitude of theirs answers the undignified calumnies.”Pierre Loti, “Fantome d’Orient” (1928)
Gocek is like the missionaries who stirred up the otherwise content Armenians by telling them how superior they were as Christians, and how much better their lives could be. By doing so, the missionaries opened bigger cans of worms for the Armenians. Now Gocek is assuming the role of "Don't worry, I know what's best for you." What unbelievable arrogance.I'd like to bring up a caveat before the reader considers the discussion below. Unlike what Gocek's Turk-hating propagandistic forces tell us, Turks are people, too. Individual Turks also can suffer from post traumatic stress syndrome. When Armenians committed some of the most unimaginably heinous crimes (with descriptions not uncommonly found throughout Armenian propaganda. Armenians have shown a tendency to perform a crime, and then blame Turks with the same crime. Not to say Turks did not massacre Armenians, but more than a few Armenians who reported these horror stories to missionaries and others must not have had to work hard in inventing the unusually sadistic deviltries), as the reader may get a taste of here and here and here, how could anyone who came out of these nightmares not have been affected? The documentary "Sari Gelin" had a few filmed testimonials, and it's striking to see some of the old men emotionally going to pieces. That's because these Turks bottled the memories inside, in order to cope, and would have died with the memories — had a few interviewers fighting against Armenian propaganda not decided to do some last-minute footwork. So yes, Gocek's "catharsis" is not a concept to be belittled. But Gocek is referring to a national catharsis, from the standpoint of coming to terms with her mythological genocide, and in 'fessing up to a criminal past. The kind of catharsis that really matters in this case, individual catharsis, is irrelevant. Almost all of these Turkish sufferers are now dead.
Has Gocek Read "Death and Exile"?
Armenian fan "Tongue" earlier recorded Gocek as stating that she was a scholar and had "read a lot." A true scholar reads perspectives that go against the scholar's personal grain, not just works the scholar is in agreement with. At this point, the true scholar applies science, not emotion. A true scholar must be prepared to rid herself of previously held beliefs or prejudices if the evidence against those beliefs prove solid. This is exactly what Prof. Bernard Lewis was forced to do, once he read "The Armenian File." Since then, he has been vilified as a David Irving-level "revisionist," within unscrupulous genocide circles. Yet, it is the duty of every true scholar to become a "revisionist," as better facts come along.
Now, of course, Prof. Justin McCarthy is equally vilified as a "denialist" by the Armenian Genocide club to which Gocek whole-heartedly belongs. Since Gocek is not a real scholar, considering only one side of this story as she does (which puts her credibility at risk in everything else she produces), perhaps she was not able to bring herself to read McCarthy's works, such as "Death and Exile."
Whether she has or not, it is obvious she suffers from a lack of understanding on the general psychology of her people, when it comes to the ways Turks, in general, culturally deal with "mourning."
Prof. McCarthy’s “Death and Exile” offers a telling footnote from page 97, referring to the fate of the Balkan Turks, at the hands of murderous Greeks, Serbs, Bulgarians and Montenegrins... all of whom truly carried out a policy of systematic extermination, in an effort to frighten the rest of the Turks into leaving their lands (a policy also carried out by Armenians in the Anatolian East with the exception that the Armenians killed more for killing's sake, and not to force the rest into fleeing; and to a lesser "murderous" extent, with the idea of forcing the rest to flee, in 1992 Karabakh):
"One might be pardoned if, on reading of the various atrocities visited upon the Balkan Turks, it seems as if the atrocities were invented, or at least much inflated, by those who allegedly suffered. One answer to this is the type of confirmatory evidence provided by the European consuls, reporters, and other observers. I believe, though, that the evidence drawn from Muslim refugees was generally reliable in itself. Those who in 1876-78 had long dealt with Turks avowed that Turks were very unlikely to overstate their suffering. Quite the opposite was true — Turks were unlikely to mention their defeats, or to underplay them, and the massacres of the Balkan Turks were a horrible defeat. British Consul Blunt at Edirne spoke of the difficulty of getting Turks to speak of their sufferings, because of the ‘habitual reluctance of the Turks to speak of indignities to which any among them have been subjected. (It is this very policy, I may add, which induced them to conceal from public knowledge, rather than denounce the mutilations constantly practiced by the Montenegrins on their Turkish victims.)’ " (F.O. 195-1137, no. 90, Blunt to Layard, Adrianople, 6 August 1877.)
Instead of applying Americanized concepts such as, "there, there, poor child; you must mourn and feel sorry and sad and basically miserable in order to be free," maybe there are people who seek freedom by cutting the mourning short, "forgiving and forgetting," and moving on with their lives. Not everyone needs to dwell on century old events, especially to the point of having the events take over their lives... as some other ethnic groups sadly swear by.
"Nations usually come to a point in their histories when they are able to face their past and undertake such mourning in order to heal for a healthier future."Really? Which nations have been doing that, exactly? Do the British think of the crimes their nation committed during the Boer War, for example? Do the Spaniards harp on grounding South American civilizations to dust? Do the French care about the Algerians... or when they think about Napoleon, do they stress the untold suffering he caused? And forget about the Russians, their list of historical wrongs would go on and on. How about Belgium? Is the Congo on the minds of Belgians these days? How many Australians consciously hang their heads in shame over Tasmania? And what about the United States? The last thing on Americans' minds are the many wrongs that were committed from slavery to Cambodia.Everyone knows slavery was wrong, but who wants to think about it? After all, it's done. Nothing can be done to change it. I feel no guilt as far as the slavery business, and I certainly don't feel "responsible" for it either. (Some Ottomans were also on the receiving end of the mostly pre-U.S. American slavery racket, during the 16th-18th centuries, perhaps explaining the beginnings of the Melungeons.)One nation that has been hit with a big guilt trip is Germany. Germans will never be let off the hook on the reason why. Not long ago, "Hitler's Willing Executioners" revived the notion that the ordinary German is predisposed to persecute, just like Vahakn Dadrian tells us the ordinary Turk is predisposed to kill. The mourning process, it seems, will be forever required of the Germans.
But aside from the Holocaust, is the average German aware of, say, the wrongs committed by the Teutonic Knights?Where does this end? Is the idea to wallow in the past? Or to look to the future? Seems like the latter bodes much better for a "healthier future."
Prof. Avv. Augusto Sinagra
"After 80 years, an account of the so-called Armenian Genocide is requested. Now, as an Italian, as an heir of the Roman Empire, right or wrong, should I be responsible for what [African Cione]* did in Carthage?
80 years, 800 years, or 1,800 years; they are all the same to me."
Prof. Augusto Sinagra, Nell University, Rome. "Sari Gelin"
* Scipio Aemilianus Africanus
Who does Fatma Muge Gocek think she is? So she wants to shove this huge "Armenian Genocide" lie down the throats of her countrymen and women, and then everything is going to be hunky-dory? Turkey is going to be more grown-up and democratic as a result? Does she really expect people are going to swallow this kindergarten level analysis? At the time of this interview from a few years back, we learn Gocek had translated a novel of Elif Shafak's. And thus the seeds of their friendship were planted. How curious that soon afterwards, Elif Shafak grew to be a practical carbon copy of Gocek and Akcam.
Gocek Interviewed in Yet Another Armenian Publication
Gocek was featured in a more recent interview in December 2005 's "Horizon Weekly" ("Horizon is the largest Canadian-Armenian paper"), conducted by Aris Babikian, entitled, "It would certainly be wiser for the Turkish government to come to terms with its history." Good grief.
The article begins by telling us, "The Istanbul Conference, in Bilgi University, was a turning point in breaking the taboo of discussion on the Armenian Genocide in Turkey." Sheer nonsense. This "taboo" was openly discussed for years beforehand. As mentioned before, many of the bigwigs of the genocide industry were invited to the 1990 Ankara Conference, for example; this one was decently covered in the press at the time, as evident from Levon Marashlian's own account. Armenian shill Robert Fisk wrote an article about Taner Akcam's pushing the genocide on Turkish television for six straight hours, in early 2001. (In an article entitled, "All the Heroes Deserve Remembrance," where Akcam pleaded, "Ask forgiveness from the Armenian people.") So where does the writer get off saying, "Dr. Fatma Muge Gocek is another one of these honest and righteous Turks who have stood up to the might of the Turkish Government and establishment." There were plenty who tested these waters before Fatma Muge Gocek. Once again, the notion of the lone and heroic Erin Brockovich up against an insurmountable institutional force, which in Gocek's case, simply does not apply.
Fatma Gocek poses with her interviewer
Gocek elaborates on why the "Turkish diaspora," free from control of the state, exercise their free will and become even more conservative than the Turks of Turkey. She gets into the most convoluted and ridiculous theories, such as "those who migrate to a new country bring with them the political framework of their country of origin at that particular juncture."What Gocek is not taking into consideration is that the Turks who immigrated years ago assimilated into American society, often turning their backs on their "Turkishness," unlike many Greeks and Armenians. Immigration policy was generally restrictive in America toward non-professional Turks until the 1970s, when a new wave began to pile in. The children of this wave have grown up, and some are now fighting back with proficient English, a force the genocide industry never had to reckon with before.
"She seems unaware that the social science literature she quotes explains perfectly the psychological state of Armenians in the U.S. It is they who are stuck in the past. Turkish immigrants in America don’t fit the stereotype of other immigrants here or Turkish immigrants to European countries where they went in large numbers when labor was in short supply in Europe and jobs lacking in Turkey. We are mostly middle to upper income people of high education. We are scattered throughout the land. There are no Turkish neighborhoods in American cities like earlier immigrants had when they came in large numbers and required networking with each other to get a start in the new country. For these people, the old country lived on in the new country. Not for us. We are fully aware of what goes on in Turkey and we suffer no anxiety or insecurity as immigrants. We may not all have a Ph.D. in front of our names but most of us are very much like Professor Gocek herself."
Ali Ferda Sevin, in an essay entitled "Hate Speech," January 12, 2006; the reference is to this very interview.
Since Gocek is so completely mistaken as to the factors driving most Turkish-Americans, preferring to apply general socio-babble to a people she should have firsthand knowledge about, one now needs to wonder about the caliber of her sociological abilities. While the majority of these Turks are indifferent and are busy being Americans, the ones who have looked into this insanity are not influenced by the Turkish government. Speaking for myself, I don't know much about Turkey. I don't care about what the Turkish government says, I am not a "nationalist," and I certainly wouldn't be bothered by criticizing the Turkish government for committed wrongs any more than I would criticize my own government. The only thing... I repeat, the ONLY thing... that is influencing me, and I presume, the others (older and younger generations alike) is that I know a con job when I see one. Truth becomes the only guiding force. Gocek can hardly say the same, caught with her pants down constantly with her repeating of Armenian propagandistic claims.
Why rely on Ottoman archival accounts to write history? Because they are the sort of solid data that is the basis of all good history. The Ottomans did not write propaganda for today's media. The reports of Ottoman soldiers and officials were not political documents or public relations exercises. They were secret internal reports in which responsible men relayed what they believed to be true to their government. They might sometimes have been mistaken, but they were never liars. There is no record of deliberate deception in Ottoman documents. Compare this to the dismal history of Armenian Nationalist deceptions: fake statistics on population, fake statements attributed to Mustafa Kemal, fake telegrams of Talat Pasa, fake reports in a Blue Book, misuse of court records and, worst of all, no mention of Turks who were killed by Armenians.
Dr. Justin McCarthy at the Turkish Grand National Assembly, March 24, 2005
She goes on to explain about herself and those like Akcam being regarded as traitors. Again, the usual blabber: "The media, public opinion as well as popular culture in Turkey have all been very successfully controlled by the state up until now," and it's those mindless nationalists at work again. No regard as to whether her efforts are truly in the interests of the Turkish nation, or against it.
(Incidentally, is there a country where the media is not controlled? Here in the USA, the world's model for democracy, all major media is in the hands of a few conglomerates.)"Why the Turkish state remains so intransigent in its recognition of the Armenian tragedy in spite of the overwhelming historical evidence ..."Repeat after me: "hearsay" and "personal opinions," along with "forgeries," as "overwhelming" as these might have been thanks to the many bigots from the period who did not regard the Turks as equal human beings, do not count as "historical evidence." Gocek might only be slightly accused for not understanding this, since her background is not in history. Gocek actually refers to "a 'layering of denial' that spans from the last decades of the Ottoman Empire into the Turkish nation-state to the present." How do you like that; at least current day denialists can be proud they are continuing an old Turkish tradition. Gocek predicts a "reorientation" that "will end up discrediting many individuals and institutions to destabilize the existing power structure in Turkey." I predict that once the truth of this falsified genocide becomes slowly accepted by the prejudiced world, many individuals will wind up becoming discredited. But these individuals won't come from the camp Gocek is pointing to." The Armenian diaspora will need to work with both the Turkish and Armenian states and societies and hopefully help both sides shed their nationalistic stands on this issue to eventually reach reconciliation." Yes, the Armenian diaspora can certainly be counted on as a voice of non-nationalistic moderation to set these two nations straight. Already the Dashnak controlled diaspora has spread their poison to Armenia (Ter-Petrossian, the first Armenian president since the Cold War's end, was chased away by these hysterical diasporan voices), and thanks to their Turkish pawns, the Armenians' sights are also set upon Turkey itself. As "Tongue" stated earlier, Fatma Muge Gocek can be a pretty funny lady.
-Alıntıdır.-
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ERMENİ SOYKIRIM MASALLARI ARKASINDAKİ İŞBİRLİKÇİLER
http://sudakiates.blogspot.com/2008/07/ermeni-soykirim-masali-iddalarinin-ve.html
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